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@tonyshowoff said in Non-IT News Thread:
@coliver said in Non-IT News Thread:
Apparently teen use of Marijuana has gone down after legalization in Colorado. Granted it is a survey so the results can be a bit skewed.
I find it hard to believe it would go down, after all, alcohol consumption went down amongst young people in the 1970s and 1980s in America because of the end of prohibition... oh wait it didn't.
Let's forget that and focus on one thing, it's a self-reported survey, and according to this, 6.4% females obese, 13.2% males... in America?
Hence my mentioning it was a survey so the results may be a bit skewed.
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@coliver said in Non-IT News Thread:
Apparently teen use of Marijuana has gone down after legalization in Colorado. Granted it is a survey so the results can be a bit skewed.
That's what was always expected since that has been mirrored everywhere in the world.
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@coliver said in Non-IT News Thread:
@dafyre said in Non-IT News Thread:
@coliver It's legal now... No need to do it under the bleachers after school.
Edit: Now they can openly do it in the bathrooms during lunch.
It was one of the big arguments against legalization though, selling it legally would lead to rampant and widespread use...
There really aren't any valid arguments against legalization.
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@coliver said in Non-IT News Thread:
@tonyshowoff said in Non-IT News Thread:
@coliver said in Non-IT News Thread:
Apparently teen use of Marijuana has gone down after legalization in Colorado. Granted it is a survey so the results can be a bit skewed.
I find it hard to believe it would go down, after all, alcohol consumption went down amongst young people in the 1970s and 1980s in America because of the end of prohibition... oh wait it didn't.
Let's forget that and focus on one thing, it's a self-reported survey, and according to this, 6.4% females obese, 13.2% males... in America?
Hence my mentioning it was a survey so the results may be a bit skewed.
I'd say more than a bit on those "yeah I'm totally not fat you guys" questions
Further:
Four out of five Colorado high school students have not used marijuana in the last 30 days, a rate
that remains relatively unchanged since 2013. Colorado does not significantly differ from the
national average in lifetime or current marijuana use (Figure 4a).Basically not different, seems vastly different "gone down", that seems more like confirmation bias in a way. If it hasn't really changed it's not statically different, especially if it's within the margin of error.
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@coliver said in Non-IT News Thread:
@dafyre said in Non-IT News Thread:
@coliver It's legal now... No need to do it under the bleachers after school.
Edit: Now they can openly do it in the bathrooms during lunch.
It was one of the big arguments against legalization though, selling it legally would lead to rampant and widespread use...
Actually the opposite. Drugs go down in use when legalized. That's specifically why Holland keeps in legalized, they actually said "we won't outlaw it because we don't want the rampant drug use like in the US." Everyone knows that by making marijuana illegal CREATES the drug pusher culture. You only have strong addiction problems in places where the drugs are illegal. Once legal, it never goes away, but goes way down. That's very well known. That's why the "war on drugs" is often seen as being paid for by the drug lords to keep their businesses going. It's actually government corruption, waging a fake fight to enable addiction to keep the drug lords well funded.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@coliver said in Non-IT News Thread:
@dafyre said in Non-IT News Thread:
@coliver It's legal now... No need to do it under the bleachers after school.
Edit: Now they can openly do it in the bathrooms during lunch.
It was one of the big arguments against legalization though, selling it legally would lead to rampant and widespread use...
Actually the opposite. Drugs go down in use when legalized. That's specifically why Holland keeps in legalized, they actually said "we won't outlaw it because we don't want the rampant drug use like in the US." Everyone knows that by making marijuana illegal CREATES the drug pusher culture. You only have strong addiction problems in places where the drugs are illegal. Once legal, it never goes away, but goes way down. That's very well known. That's why the "war on drugs" is often seen as being paid for by the drug lords to keep their businesses going. It's actually government corruption, waging a fake fight to enable addiction to keep the drug lords well funded.
Agreed, completely. We've had this conversation before on here. It was an argument against legalization that didn't have any merit but another one of those, "We don't care about the facts, think of the children!" ploys.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@coliver said in Non-IT News Thread:
@dafyre said in Non-IT News Thread:
@coliver It's legal now... No need to do it under the bleachers after school.
Edit: Now they can openly do it in the bathrooms during lunch.
It was one of the big arguments against legalization though, selling it legally would lead to rampant and widespread use...
Actually the opposite. Drugs go down in use when legalized. That's specifically why Holland keeps in legalized, they actually said "we won't outlaw it because we don't want the rampant drug use like in the US." Everyone knows that by making marijuana illegal CREATES the drug pusher culture. You only have strong addiction problems in places where the drugs are illegal. Once legal, it never goes away, but goes way down. That's very well known. That's why the "war on drugs" is often seen as being paid for by the drug lords to keep their businesses going. It's actually government corruption, waging a fake fight to enable addiction to keep the drug lords well funded.
I think though one thing people aren't counting on is the 100% sales tax on it causes the price to stay higher than some black market prices and thus there's still black market access to it, which isn't the case elsewhere in the world, but is in Colorado.
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@tonyshowoff said in Non-IT News Thread:
I think though one thing people aren't counting on is the 100% sales tax on it causes the price to stay higher than some black market prices and thus there's still black market access to it, which isn't the case elsewhere in the world, but is in Colorado.
That's important, too. It actually keeps the price higher than the black market does. You start having store fronts and create lots of good jobs, too.
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I just find self-reported surveys of any sort to really be wholly unscientific. I hate them!
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@tonyshowoff said in Non-IT News Thread:
I just find self-reported surveys of any sort to really be wholly unscientific. I hate them!
Yes, survey are crap. We should take a poll to see who likes them.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@tonyshowoff said in Non-IT News Thread:
I just find self-reported surveys of any sort to really be wholly unscientific. I hate them!
Yes, survey are crap. We should take a poll to see who likes them.
I know a site that will let you create a survey...
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@RojoLoco said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@tonyshowoff said in Non-IT News Thread:
I just find self-reported surveys of any sort to really be wholly unscientific. I hate them!
Yes, survey are crap. We should take a poll to see who likes them.
I know a site that will let you create a survey...
Good idea!
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@tonyshowoff said in Non-IT News Thread:
I just find self-reported surveys of any sort to really be wholly unscientific. I hate them!
Yes, survey are crap. We should take a poll to see who likes them.
This is me when I read about a new "study" which proves some diet is better than the other because of self-reported survey data based upon what people think about themselves:
And that's true with other surveys similar to that as well, people are so horribly bad at reporting information about themselves, I can never take it seriously no matter what it's reporting, unless we're reporting on the kind of people who respond to surveys.
But diets and food are the worst, just ask any morbidly obese person, almost all will tell you they "don't actually eat that much" (ironic survey). People just aren't good at it.
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@wirestyle22 said in Non-IT News Thread:
On a serious note I honestly don't think that democracy is working for us anymore.
The US has never been a democracy. Ever. I realize that most people have no clue, no matter what @scottalanmiller thinks. He thinks it is beat into people in school. That is blatantly not true.
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@JaredBusch said in Non-IT News Thread:
@wirestyle22 said in Non-IT News Thread:
On a serious note I honestly don't think that democracy is working for us anymore.
The US has never been a democracy. Ever. I realize that most people have no clue, no matter what @scottalanmiller thinks. He thinks it is beat into people in school. That is blatantly not true.
What connects it being beaten into people with them not remembering? I know that people learn where South America is, how to do basic math, what a verb is and so forth in school, yet most adults don't retain that stuff either. I make no claims that people don't ignore or forget it, but I think if you check, it's actually taught most of the time. No way to know for sure and any given teacher might make up their own stuff (I had a science teacher tell us that the moon did not rotate and an elementary teacher that told us that the date change was at 1AM rather than at midnight, for example.)
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@JaredBusch said in Non-IT News Thread:
@wirestyle22 said in Non-IT News Thread:
On a serious note I honestly don't think that democracy is working for us anymore.
The US has never been a democracy. Ever. I realize that most people have no clue, no matter what @scottalanmiller thinks. He thinks it is beat into people in school. That is blatantly not true.
What connects it being beaten into people with them not remembering? I know that people learn where South America is, how to do basic math, what a verb is and so forth in school, yet most adults don't retain that stuff either. I make no claims that people don't ignore or forget it, but I think if you check, it's actually taught most of the time. No way to know for sure and any given teacher might make up their own stuff (I had a science teacher tell us that the moon did not rotate and an elementary teacher that told us that the date change was at 1AM rather than at midnight, for example.)
Wait, are you trying to say that schools teach that the US is NOT a democracy? Because if that's what you think, you're just flat out wrong...
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@thanksajdotcom said in Non-IT News Thread:
Wait, are you trying to say that schools teach that the US is NOT a democracy? Because if that's what you think, you're just flat out wrong...
You had teachers lie to you about that? we were definitely taught, from early grades till graduation, that the US was a republic and that the founding fathers specifically did that to avoid democracy, which was so clearly awful that it was considered a mocking word, like saying that something is tantamount to anarchy today.
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@thanksajdotcom said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@JaredBusch said in Non-IT News Thread:
@wirestyle22 said in Non-IT News Thread:
On a serious note I honestly don't think that democracy is working for us anymore.
The US has never been a democracy. Ever. I realize that most people have no clue, no matter what @scottalanmiller thinks. He thinks it is beat into people in school. That is blatantly not true.
What connects it being beaten into people with them not remembering? I know that people learn where South America is, how to do basic math, what a verb is and so forth in school, yet most adults don't retain that stuff either. I make no claims that people don't ignore or forget it, but I think if you check, it's actually taught most of the time. No way to know for sure and any given teacher might make up their own stuff (I had a science teacher tell us that the moon did not rotate and an elementary teacher that told us that the date change was at 1AM rather than at midnight, for example.)
Wait, are you trying to say that schools teach that the US is NOT a democracy? Because if that's what you think, you're just flat out wrong...
Upstate NY, we were taught that we were in a Republic, in both of my US history classes it was drilled into us that we were part of the representative democracy or a representative republic.
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I was taught its a republic as well. I just misspoke/typed
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I don't recall if the word democracy was used or not - but we were definitely taught that we are representative based.
