Reconsidering ProxMox
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@VoIP_n00b - only just started reading through their wiki. Currently looking at their use of ZFS and how I'd make that work on my equipment.
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@VoIP_n00b said in Reconsidering ProxMox:
How is everyone liking it so far?
It is almost like XCP-ng but with a nice Web GUI and with KVM. That said I have know of this for a while, I am just not sure what your tie is to it but it is a legit system.
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@VoIP_n00b said in Reconsidering ProxMox:
How is everyone liking it so far?
Still early, but so far, so good.
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@VoIP_n00b said in Reconsidering ProxMox:
How is everyone liking it so far?
Had several failures of the VM to restart after a windows induced restart. But now it has been stable. So far it looks promising.
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@JasGot are the tools installed?
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@VoIP_n00b said in Reconsidering ProxMox:
@JasGot are the tools installed?
They are not. and I just checked it out, why does it have to be such an ordeal to install the qemu guest?
Uggg...
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@JasGot said in Reconsidering ProxMox:
@VoIP_n00b said in Reconsidering ProxMox:
@JasGot are the tools installed?
They are not. and I just checked it out, why does it have to be such an ordeal to install the qemu guest?
Uggg...What do you mean?
choco install virtio-drivers -y
That's it.
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It's only a big deal because unlike any other OS, Windows doesn't include major drivers by default. That Windows doesn't have these baked in is just mind blowing how far behind every other OS out there they are.
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@JasGot said in Reconsidering ProxMox:
@VoIP_n00b said in Reconsidering ProxMox:
@JasGot are the tools installed?
They are not. and I just checked it out, why does it have to be such an ordeal to install the qemu guest?
Uggg...Okay, it wasn't that bad, but it is more involved than installing (FOR EXAMPLE) vmtools which is just a push from the host. I thought about not posting this because of the heat I may get, but you know what? as easy as you might think it is since you knew what to do, it is not as easy vmtools was. I didn't have to google the process for vm tools.
Not trying to lift up any Hyper V over another, I'm just sayin'.....
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@scottalanmiller said in Reconsidering ProxMox:
It's only a big deal because unlike any other OS, Windows doesn't include major drivers by default. That Windows doesn't have these baked in is just mind blowing how far behind every other OS out there they are.
Microsoft is narcissistic.
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@scottalanmiller said in Reconsidering ProxMox:
What do you mean?
choco install virtio-drivers -y
That's it.I don't use Chocolaty. I tried it when I first started coming around here, at the accolades of others; but I just found it didn't easily install or automate about half of the things we need. So I passed without judgment.
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@JasGot said in Reconsidering ProxMox:
@scottalanmiller said in Reconsidering ProxMox:
What do you mean?
choco install virtio-drivers -y
That's it.I don't use Chocolaty. I tried it when I first started coming around here, at the accolades of others; but I just found it didn't easily install or automate about half of the things we need. So I passed without judgment.
so instead of using it for the half it does, you simply dumped it? Why not make life easy for as much of it as you can?
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@Dashrender said in Reconsidering ProxMox:
@JasGot said in Reconsidering ProxMox:
@scottalanmiller said in Reconsidering ProxMox:
What do you mean?
choco install virtio-drivers -y
That's it.I don't use Chocolaty. I tried it when I first started coming around here, at the accolades of others; but I just found it didn't easily install or automate about half of the things we need. So I passed without judgment.
so instead of using it for the half it does, you simply dumped it? Why not make life easy for as much of it as you can?
Because we have our own scripts and installers that automate all of the tasks we need. No need to move 1/2 of our work to another tool. If it handled everything I think I would have jumped at the prospect. But there were still hurdles we didn't get a chance to explore, so I can;t say for certain we would have made the move, but I sure gave it the 'ol college try!
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@JasGot said in Reconsidering ProxMox:
@scottalanmiller said in Reconsidering ProxMox:
What do you mean?
choco install virtio-drivers -y
That's it.I don't use Chocolaty. I tried it when I first started coming around here, at the accolades of others; but I just found it didn't easily install or automate about half of the things we need. So I passed without judgment.
Now you see how hard things are without it
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@JasGot said in Reconsidering ProxMox:
@Dashrender said in Reconsidering ProxMox:
@JasGot said in Reconsidering ProxMox:
@scottalanmiller said in Reconsidering ProxMox:
What do you mean?
choco install virtio-drivers -y
That's it.I don't use Chocolaty. I tried it when I first started coming around here, at the accolades of others; but I just found it didn't easily install or automate about half of the things we need. So I passed without judgment.
so instead of using it for the half it does, you simply dumped it? Why not make life easy for as much of it as you can?
Because we have our own scripts and installers that automate all of the tasks we need. No need to move 1/2 of our work to another tool. If it handled everything I think I would have jumped at the prospect. But there were still hurdles we didn't get a chance to explore, so I can;t say for certain we would have made the move, but I sure gave it the 'ol college try!
But your tool doesnt handle the basic drivers
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@JasGot said in Reconsidering ProxMox:
@Dashrender said in Reconsidering ProxMox:
@JasGot said in Reconsidering ProxMox:
@scottalanmiller said in Reconsidering ProxMox:
What do you mean?
choco install virtio-drivers -y
That's it.I don't use Chocolaty. I tried it when I first started coming around here, at the accolades of others; but I just found it didn't easily install or automate about half of the things we need. So I passed without judgment.
so instead of using it for the half it does, you simply dumped it? Why not make life easy for as much of it as you can?
Because we have our own scripts and installers that automate all of the tasks we need. No need to move 1/2 of our work to another tool. If it handled everything I think I would have jumped at the prospect. But there were still hurdles we didn't get a chance to explore, so I can;t say for certain we would have made the move, but I sure gave it the 'ol college try!
You can also, really easily, setup a Nuget repository, since you already have those custom scripts it would be fairly easy to migrate them to Chocolately and have a single installation source.
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I have been using Proxmox for many years now in my home environment and it has been nothing but rock solid.
Use ZFS block devices for all guests and a specific pool as file storage which all guests access over NFS.It´s rich in features and easy to work with. Configs are also easy to find and access in case of any issue.
Only reason I don´t use it in our corporate environment is the backup features. The limitation of only full backups makes offsite copying problematic with large VMs.
ZFS can solve this problem by sending and receiving snapshots but you need to script it your self or use an external library. I use this method to backup my NFS pool but its not robust enough for VMs.
Other pros,
Guest firewallCons,
Subscription nag screen
Guest console can be a little dodgy sometimesNote I´m using version 4.4 so some of my issues might have been resolved in newer versions.
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@moka said in Reconsidering ProxMox:
Only reason I don´t use it in our corporate environment is the backup features. The limitation of only full backups makes offsite copying problematic with large VMs.
Keep in mind you have alternative options for that. Like Veeam Agents, Windows built in backups, and what have you. It's still not the same robust feature set that Vmware backups would have, but it's more than just what Proxmox includes.
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@moka said in Reconsidering ProxMox:
Note I´m using version 4.4 so some of my issues might have been resolved in newer versions.
Lots of good improvements with version 6.1. The guest console is a lot better.
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@moka said in Reconsidering ProxMox:
I have been using Proxmox for many years now in my home environment and it has been nothing but rock solid.
Use ZFS block devices for all guests and a specific pool as file storage which all guests access over NFS.It´s rich in features and easy to work with. Configs are also easy to find and access in case of any issue.
Only reason I don´t use it in our corporate environment is the backup features. The limitation of only full backups makes offsite copying problematic with large VMs.
ZFS can solve this problem by sending and receiving snapshots but you need to script it your self or use an external library. I use this method to backup my NFS pool but its not robust enough for VMs.
Other pros,
Guest firewallCons,
Subscription nag screen
Guest console can be a little dodgy sometimesNote I´m using version 4.4 so some of my issues might have been resolved in newer versions.
For the ZFS stuff, you can look at sanoid ... and it's counterpart syncoid (https://github.com/jimsalterjrs/sanoid)
I'm using Sanoid on my laptop, but don't have anything to sync it to at the moment.
