Is Microsoft the New Apple?
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@Dashrender said:
It's interesting to see this microcosm, as you said way outside the norm. Do other countries have areas that are heavily devoted to tech and as a side effect the area in general is more knowledgeable than average?
Yes, India has Bangalore, for example. Spain has Madrid. Canada has Ottawa. Those are some of the most dramatic.
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@Dashrender said:
I ask this assuming that the only reason this exists in California is because of Silicon Valley, am I mistaken?
Silicon Valley is the epicenter (pun intended) of it but Seattle maintains its own microcosm of this nature which, I believe, spills into Portland. Because of the amazing pull of Silicon Valley, San Fran and Seattle it ends up being the dominant culture on the entire west coast. But Austin is similar, being a development city too.
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Nearly all countries have cities or regions devoted primarily to a single or a few industries. China has whole regions that do just plastic manufacturing, as an example. The US has the south east of Michigan devoted to high end automotive engineering and manufacturing. Houston and Oklahoma City are all about energy. LA about media.
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@scottalanmiller said:
Like they don't have IT departments (until they get really large). Hundred and hundreds of people, no IT (because everyone is "technical enough.") People tend to admin their own desktops. Laptops are common rather than desktops. Mac and Linux instead of Windows. Remote access is assumed. AD isn't often even considered, nor any centralized machine management system. On premise hosting isn't thought about, hosted services are the only real consideration. Cloud computing is a foregone conclusion (real cloud, not what people elsewhere call cloud to sound cool.) DevOps rather than traditional systems administration (there is a reason that there is a barrier to entry for IT people into this market.)
Really? This stuff is alien to someone in New York or Chicago? I'm surprised. I think this is fairly common in London now.
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@Carnival-Boy said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Like they don't have IT departments (until they get really large). Hundred and hundreds of people, no IT (because everyone is "technical enough.") People tend to admin their own desktops. Laptops are common rather than desktops. Mac and Linux instead of Windows. Remote access is assumed. AD isn't often even considered, nor any centralized machine management system. On premise hosting isn't thought about, hosted services are the only real consideration. Cloud computing is a foregone conclusion (real cloud, not what people elsewhere call cloud to sound cool.) DevOps rather than traditional systems administration (there is a reason that there is a barrier to entry for IT people into this market.)
Really? This stuff is alien to someone in New York or Chicago? I'm surprised. I think this is fairly common in London now.
Very much so. Remember the bulk of the US is very computer illiterate. We don't have a European education system here to provide are normal workers with any semblance of technical knowledge and our universities are worse than our high schools. Even most college graduates cannot manage their own desktops. "Computer skills" in the US normally means typing skills and the ability to change font sizes and colours.
In NY you will see this once in a while in high end software shops, but that is about it. In general, no normal business will have this at all. Just look in Spiceworks at the number of people who claim it is 'impossible' to run a company of even eight or ten people without AD. Even in IT circles the idea of doing something outside of the prescribed Microsoft path (even when Microsoft says not to do it) is unthinkable.
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I shouldn't have said I'm interested in Californian startups, I'm interested in startups in general. Specifically, lean organisations. Startups tend to be lean because they're growing rapidly and only do things that are completely necessary. Mature organisations do things because they've always done things.
I occasionally consult for a training company. They were pretty large and then went bust because they weren't making any profit. They were bought out and the new company was tiny. It only took on the old work that was highly profitable, and ditched all the less profitable work. They're now make a healthy profit and growing. It's sad that they had to go bust for this happen. It's partly because business owners are often more obsessed with size and revenue than profits. I think it's an ego thing. Too often work is taken on to keep staff employed rather than to make profits.
There's lots of books written about lean startups. I've just started one written by the guys behind Basecamp (a Chicago startup, not Californian). It's all good stuff, but there isn't much about applying lean/startup principles to mature firms. How do you get a mature firm to think and act like a startup? It feels like trying to turn an oil tanker around compared with a sail boat. This is my obsession.
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@Carnival-Boy said:
How do you get a mature firm to think and act like a startup?
Startups run very risky, it's not something that you normally want to do with a proven business model. The models used by startups are based on taking on huge risk in order to gamble on big gains. Most startups fail and fail hard. What startups do is not likely something that you want to do.
Lean and startup are very different. Startups actually don't run as lean as you think, they need to grow rapidly so often do exactly the opposite. This is what creates the really high risk.
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@Carnival-Boy said:
It feels like trying to turn an oil tanker around compared with a sail boat. This is my obsession.
But Oil Tankers rarely sink. Sailboats do all of the time.
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@scottalanmiller said:
The difference is that most receptionists out here have as many IT skills as most L1 IT people.
I'm not being funny but exactly how many receptionists have you met out there? I've probably met hundreds around the world and I have no idea what the IT skills of any of them are. Do you ask them their views on RAID5 when they bring you a coffee of something? I appreciate that technology firms are very big in Californian but are you sure you're not getting a bit carried away?
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Startups tend to hire tons of extra people in the hopes of inflating the apparent size of the business as quickly as possible as the primary value of a startup is threatening mature companies to get them to buy them out - often only to shut them down and make them go away. But sometimes to pass on the product to a major company to productize it. The bloat then gets passed on before it becomes a problem to the start up.
Start ups are rarely focused on making profit or being sustainable. They burn investment dollars in the hopes of striking it rich before things go bust.
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@Carnival-Boy said:
@scottalanmiller said:
The difference is that most receptionists out here have as many IT skills as most L1 IT people.
I'm not being funny but exactly how many receptionists have you met out there? I've probably met hundreds around the world and I have no idea what the IT skills of any of them are. Do you ask them their views on RAID5 when they bring you a coffee of something? I appreciate that technology firms are very big in Californian but are you sure you're not getting a bit carried away?
The difference is, out here they are all doing IT. At least in these kinds of firms, not at the local law firm. In startups the receptionists are actually doing physical IT. You can just watch them do it. It's truly a different world.
I've seen at least five just today.
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What were they doing?
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@Carnival-Boy said:
I've probably met hundreds around the world and I have no idea what the IT skills of any of them are. Do you ask them their views on RAID5 when they bring you a coffee of something?
That's because they are not doing IT. Most IT pros don't even know what RAID 5 is. It's actually a "less than half" skill. And even those that know what it is rarely know how to apply that knowledge. L1 people do not normally know about RAID.
Receptionists and secretaries commonly do tech support in start ups. Every startup I've ever seen, in fact. I'm not sure I've ever seen a receptionist who wasn't doing, at the very least, their own support.
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@Carnival-Boy said:
What were they doing?
The things that I've been saying. Things like setting up desktops for people.
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I thought that was the Office Manager's job?
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I find it odd that you want to run like a startup. Startups all hope to run like mature companies. Mature companies make profit and pay the bills. They rarely are living on borrowed time or digging themselves into an inescapable pit of debt. Startups appear cool and healthy because they don't have customers and don't need to make profit (or even have revenue.) But it is deceiving. The end is coming and they either strike it rich or, far more likely, die trying. It's a big gamble.
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@Carnival-Boy said:
I thought that was the Office Manager's job?
Office Manager is the politically correct term for a secretary in the US. No one is actually called a secretary here, its not considered "correct." So new, made up, inflated titles are used like office manager, personal assistant, executive assistance or leverager are used. But they are just secretaries.
A receptionist is in the same category but normally greets people at the door, rather than assisting a certain person or group internally.
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The sad thing is that being a secretary is a worthy, tough job. There is no reason for it not to get respect. A good secretary is invaluable. If I worked in that field, I would prefer the traditional term secretary. There is a reason why the third highest post in the US government is called the Secretary of State, not the Office Manager of State or the Personal Assistant of State. Secretary is actually a meaningful role.
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I like the movie "The Proposal" mostly because it is cute and entertaining but also because Ryan Reynolds plays a secretary and it shows what a tough, but important, job it is. A good secretary is an extension of the person that they support. They can work as a team and be very important.
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The secretary / office managers / receptionists that I have seen on the west coast (this includes Seattle, for example) are all very technical and you can tell just having a quick chat with them that they are power users and know their computers.
Having worked in big finance on the east coast, I've never met someone in the same job roles who is really ready to do anything more than write emails, check calendars, etc. Completely different in how they fit into the ecosystem. At a major financial I sat in a room with several secretaries (who had odd job titles to make them sound special) and they would need help with everything from plugging in the monitor to asking things like "what's a Mac?" Completely non-technical to the point that it made me sad for our education system (and these were secretaries driving BMWs and Mercedes, brand new, high end cars, owning ocean front homes in expensive markets, etc.) as they were barely out of college!!
