What Are You Doing Right Now
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@JaredBusch said:
@thanksaj said:
"Doing training". Did all the training for 9.2 and considering how little changes, and actually works in newer releases, I'm going through the 9.4 videos by letting them play so they can be marked as completed.
Seriously, posting publicly (during work hours) that you are screwing off during training?
How dense are you?
I've already done the training. Talked to the manager yesterday and he said "just get it done", so I am.
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@thanksaj said:
@JaredBusch said:
@thanksaj said:
"Doing training". Did all the training for 9.2 and considering how little changes, and actually works in newer releases, I'm going through the 9.4 videos by letting them play so they can be marked as completed.
Seriously, posting publicly (during work hours) that you are screwing off during training?
How dense are you?
I've already done the training. Talked to the manager yesterday and he said "just get it done", so I am.
Basically just so it shows as completed on the report.
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I still wouldn't post about it in a public forum. That is, unless I knew every post was getting me one step closer to the "points" crown
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@art_of_shred said:
I still wouldn't post about it in a public forum. That is, unless I knew every post was getting me one step closer to the "points" crown
I'm not particularly concerned. I'm working harder to avoid triggering certain SEO keywords, and my company isn't exactly what I'd call a major online presence in the IT Community world.
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@thanksaj said:
@art_of_shred said:
I still wouldn't post about it in a public forum. That is, unless I knew every post was getting me one step closer to the "points" crown
I'm not particularly concerned. I'm working harder to avoid triggering certain SEO keywords, and my company isn't exactly what I'd call a major online presence in the IT Community world.
what about the next NTG like company you DO want to work for?
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@Dashrender said:
@thanksaj said:
@art_of_shred said:
I still wouldn't post about it in a public forum. That is, unless I knew every post was getting me one step closer to the "points" crown
I'm not particularly concerned. I'm working harder to avoid triggering certain SEO keywords, and my company isn't exactly what I'd call a major online presence in the IT Community world.
what about the next NTG like company you DO want to work for?
Have I stated anything untrue or inaccurate? Also, I don't bash the company, I bash inefficient or moronic processes. My company, at it's core, is actually a good company. But like a lot of companies, they don't always act in their own best interests.
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@Dashrender said:
@thanksaj said:
@art_of_shred said:
I still wouldn't post about it in a public forum. That is, unless I knew every post was getting me one step closer to the "points" crown
I'm not particularly concerned. I'm working harder to avoid triggering certain SEO keywords, and my company isn't exactly what I'd call a major online presence in the IT Community world.
what about the next NTG like company you DO want to work for?
I don't go on personal vendettas against managers or coworkers, etc. Also, while I wasn't at first, I'm much more careful about naming even the name of the company now.
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AJ as a reminder most every company these days will check your online presence. The fact that you have mentioned who you work for at one point, doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out who you still work for now.
I would reject your application these days based on your posting history online. Even if you don't mean to you come off as un-trustworthy and a potential security risk.
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@Minion-Queen said:
AJ as a reminder most every company these days will check your online presence. The fact that you have mentioned who you work for at one point, doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out who you still work for now.
I would reject your application these days based on your posting history online. Even if you don't mean to you come off as un-trustworthy and a potential security risk.
That's interesting. Well, I'll continue to work on my posting then.
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@thanksaj said:
Have I stated anything untrue or inaccurate? Also, I don't bash the company, I bash inefficient or moronic processes.
To the outside reader, these are the same thing.
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come on folks, just let him do it. continuously bringing attention to it is semi-annoying, and he's not gonna change. so let him be the fella that just never quite gets where he wants to b/c he is his own worst enemy. america
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@thanksaj said:
Have I stated anything untrue or inaccurate? Also, I don't bash the company, I bash inefficient or moronic processes.
That is bashing the company. That's exactly what it is. I know that you aren't internalizing what you are doing and how it relates to your job but you must see that everyone but you sees this clearly. It is black and white. This isn't a grey area where it "might be acceptable." Talking about your current or past employers or their customers in a negative light, or possibly at all, is bad, very bad. No matter how you interpret it, the result is the same. There is no interpretation needed on your part. There is no grey space in which to play here.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@thanksaj said:
Have I stated anything untrue or inaccurate? Also, I don't bash the company, I bash inefficient or moronic processes.
That is bashing the company. That's exactly what it is. I know that you aren't internalizing what you are doing and how it relates to your job but you must see that everyone but you sees this clearly. It is black and white. This isn't a grey area where it "might be acceptable." Talking about your current or past employers or their customers in a negative light, or possibly at all, is bad, very bad. No matter how you interpret it, the result is the same. There is no interpretation needed on your part. There is no grey space in which to play here.
AKA no tact. example, i'm looking to hire someone, and if you were in the running and I came across all of your nay saying online (you're generally a negative person on here) I would automatically throw you in the naw pile. Hubtech Out
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Here is the real thing, I think. And I don't mean this to be negative, it's a choice. We all react to AJ's posting about what happens at his job as if it is bad. This isn't correct. It isn't unethical, mean or inaccurate. What it is is bad for AJ's career. That is all. AJ is putting himself and is future employability at risk. He is not hurting the innocent. He is not making things up (as far as I can verify.) It's all honest frustration and transparency.
What we are all missing is priorities. To all of us AJ's self preservation and career safety are the top priority. That's fine and we feel that way because we are looking out for him. Nothing wrong with that. But to AJ, that's not his top priority. Venting his frustrations, trying to change how things are done, being transparent about problems at work - these are all higher priorities to him than his career prospects. There is nothing wrong with that decision. That's totally AJ's decisions to make. It's not one that we would expect, but it isn't wrong.
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That's all well and fine - but he's still (at least here on ML) posting those issues in such a way to be helpful. Instead they come off more as bitching about something he doesn't like.
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@Dashrender said:
That's all well and fine - but he's still (at least here on ML) posting those issues in such a way to be helpful. Instead they come off more as bitching about something he doesn't like.
You can take it that way. That's your right. But do you really think I open myself up to the type of criticism I can, and have, taken just for the sake of bitching about something?
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@scottalanmiller said:
Here is the real thing, I think. And I don't mean this to be negative, it's a choice. We all react to AJ's posting about what happens at his job as if it is bad. This isn't correct. It isn't unethical, mean or inaccurate. What it is is bad for AJ's career. That is all. AJ is putting himself and is future employability at risk. He is not hurting the innocent. He is not making things up (as far as I can verify.) It's all honest frustration and transparency.
What we are all missing is priorities. To all of us AJ's self preservation and career safety are the top priority. That's fine and we feel that way because we are looking out for him. Nothing wrong with that. But to AJ, that's not his top priority. Venting his frustrations, trying to change how things are done, being transparent about problems at work - these are all higher priorities to him than his career prospects. There is nothing wrong with that decision. That's totally AJ's decisions to make. It's not one that we would expect, but it isn't wrong.
I am a huge fan of transparency. I'm not a particularly secretive person. Part of it is that I'm an extrovert, and I like sharing and interacting with people. Another part is that if I have something I feel is important to say, and I don't say it, it seriously eats me alive. I'll take the flak and lashing out I get over that feeling of holding something in any day.
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@thanksaj said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Here is the real thing, I think. And I don't mean this to be negative, it's a choice. We all react to AJ's posting about what happens at his job as if it is bad. This isn't correct. It isn't unethical, mean or inaccurate. What it is is bad for AJ's career. That is all. AJ is putting himself and is future employability at risk. He is not hurting the innocent. He is not making things up (as far as I can verify.) It's all honest frustration and transparency.
What we are all missing is priorities. To all of us AJ's self preservation and career safety are the top priority. That's fine and we feel that way because we are looking out for him. Nothing wrong with that. But to AJ, that's not his top priority. Venting his frustrations, trying to change how things are done, being transparent about problems at work - these are all higher priorities to him than his career prospects. There is nothing wrong with that decision. That's totally AJ's decisions to make. It's not one that we would expect, but it isn't wrong.
I am a huge fan of transparency. I'm not a particularly secretive person. Part of it is that I'm an extrovert, and I like sharing and interacting with people. Another part is that if I have something I feel is important to say, and I don't say it, it seriously eats me alive. I'll take the flak and lashing out I get over that feeling of holding something in any day.
Not for nothing, that's called maturity. I think the prevailing sentiment here is that you are shooting your future self in the foot. Yes, you're frustrated. Yes, you want to vent. Get on the phone and call a friend. Go find someone smaller than you and slap them, if it helps. Don't jeopardize your future for the sake of getting something off your chest today. In the long run, you're bound to regret it. If you need a place to vent, I get it. Plastering it all over the internet (when you are a technology worker, esp.) is not the proper place. That's why everyone is shaking their heads.
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AJ as you know most of us at least the NTG crowd especially, feel like we are almost responsible for you. Are we? No. But we do just want to help you out. We want you to succeed and in turn it comes off as criticism we really are just trying to help. And maybe we should stop but we all have a hard time with that one. We really do what to help you do what's best for you and grow.
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LOL, everyone has the same problem that AJ does but in a different way. To AJ, he has to get things off of his chest about frustrations at work. To a lot of us, we have to tell AJ that he is hurting his long term career prospects. It's a similar reaction, really.
