How to recover system image from Windows 7 using the backup & restore app
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@krisleslie said in How to recover system image from Windows 7 using the backup & restore app:
Seems to me that the industry should want to support the USB adoption of hypervisor installs as a mandatory thing. I see it being easier to recover from and not waste precious hdd space.
Industry has the primary focus of making money, not adopting technology. When a company develops new technology, it's with the goal of using that to make more money. If there is a new product, it means that you don't have it already, so they can sell it to you. A company that adopts new technology is likely losing money, unless it makes their product more desirable... so that they will sell more of it. If the "level of sales going up" is not greater than the cost and bother of adopting and supporting a new technology, what's in it for them?
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@art_of_shred said in How to recover system image from Windows 7 using the backup & restore app:
@krisleslie said in How to recover system image from Windows 7 using the backup & restore app:
Seems to me that the industry should want to support the USB adoption of hypervisor installs as a mandatory thing. I see it being easier to recover from and not waste precious hdd space.
Industry has the primary focus of making money, not adopting technology. When a company develops new technology, it's with the goal of using that to make more money. If there is a new product, it means that you don't have it already, so they can sell it to you. A company that adopts new technology is likely losing money, unless it makes their product more desirable... so that they will sell more of it. If the "level of sales going up" is not greater than the cost and bother of adopting and supporting a new technology, what's in it for them?
Especially, as is in this case, a technology that is there naturally but is blocked or removed. It was there previously, and everyone took it out. For example, Xen does this, XenServer does not. XS makes sure not to expose this easily because they are trying to push people to better, simpler systems that are easier to support - everyone wins.
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@scottalanmiller said in How to recover system image from Windows 7 using the backup & restore app:
@art_of_shred said in How to recover system image from Windows 7 using the backup & restore app:
@krisleslie said in How to recover system image from Windows 7 using the backup & restore app:
Seems to me that the industry should want to support the USB adoption of hypervisor installs as a mandatory thing. I see it being easier to recover from and not waste precious hdd space.
Industry has the primary focus of making money, not adopting technology. When a company develops new technology, it's with the goal of using that to make more money. If there is a new product, it means that you don't have it already, so they can sell it to you. A company that adopts new technology is likely losing money, unless it makes their product more desirable... so that they will sell more of it. If the "level of sales going up" is not greater than the cost and bother of adopting and supporting a new technology, what's in it for them?
blah, blah - everyone wins.
...except the guy who wants to use his USB storage.
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@art_of_shred said in How to recover system image from Windows 7 using the backup & restore app:
@scottalanmiller said in How to recover system image from Windows 7 using the backup & restore app:
@art_of_shred said in How to recover system image from Windows 7 using the backup & restore app:
@krisleslie said in How to recover system image from Windows 7 using the backup & restore app:
Seems to me that the industry should want to support the USB adoption of hypervisor installs as a mandatory thing. I see it being easier to recover from and not waste precious hdd space.
Industry has the primary focus of making money, not adopting technology. When a company develops new technology, it's with the goal of using that to make more money. If there is a new product, it means that you don't have it already, so they can sell it to you. A company that adopts new technology is likely losing money, unless it makes their product more desirable... so that they will sell more of it. If the "level of sales going up" is not greater than the cost and bother of adopting and supporting a new technology, what's in it for them?
blah, blah - everyone wins.
...except the guy who wants to use his USB storage.
I use USB drives, but they're for my offsite backups, not the primary backup devices.
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I think he meant installing the OS to USB.
Also, you never answered the question @Dashrender asked. We have a bet on your answer.
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@art_of_shred said in How to recover system image from Windows 7 using the backup & restore app:
@scottalanmiller said in How to recover system image from Windows 7 using the backup & restore app:
@art_of_shred said in How to recover system image from Windows 7 using the backup & restore app:
@krisleslie said in How to recover system image from Windows 7 using the backup & restore app:
Seems to me that the industry should want to support the USB adoption of hypervisor installs as a mandatory thing. I see it being easier to recover from and not waste precious hdd space.
Industry has the primary focus of making money, not adopting technology. When a company develops new technology, it's with the goal of using that to make more money. If there is a new product, it means that you don't have it already, so they can sell it to you. A company that adopts new technology is likely losing money, unless it makes their product more desirable... so that they will sell more of it. If the "level of sales going up" is not greater than the cost and bother of adopting and supporting a new technology, what's in it for them?
blah, blah - everyone wins.
...except the guy who wants to use his USB storage.
Even that guy.
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@travisdh1 said in How to recover system image from Windows 7 using the backup & restore app:
@art_of_shred said in How to recover system image from Windows 7 using the backup & restore app:
@scottalanmiller said in How to recover system image from Windows 7 using the backup & restore app:
@art_of_shred said in How to recover system image from Windows 7 using the backup & restore app:
@krisleslie said in How to recover system image from Windows 7 using the backup & restore app:
Seems to me that the industry should want to support the USB adoption of hypervisor installs as a mandatory thing. I see it being easier to recover from and not waste precious hdd space.
Industry has the primary focus of making money, not adopting technology. When a company develops new technology, it's with the goal of using that to make more money. If there is a new product, it means that you don't have it already, so they can sell it to you. A company that adopts new technology is likely losing money, unless it makes their product more desirable... so that they will sell more of it. If the "level of sales going up" is not greater than the cost and bother of adopting and supporting a new technology, what's in it for them?
blah, blah - everyone wins.
...except the guy who wants to use his USB storage.
I use USB drives, but they're for my offsite backups, not the primary backup devices.
If you are backing up to most small NAS units directly, you can attach a USB drive to that and do a backup of the backup for offiste. That's a good (better at least) place to have that kind of technology.
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@Dashrender said in How to recover system image from Windows 7 using the backup & restore app:
@scottalanmiller constantly says that vendors can't refuse support to you when you have third party HDDs and RAM installed in their servers.
So I don't really see this being that different. Is it possible they could refuse you? Sure, likely, doesn't seem likely.
Support and warranty are not the same thing. Can they refuse you for support? Yup.
Selling a server and the hardware fails is not the same as buying software and asking how to use it.
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@scottalanmiller said in How to recover system image from Windows 7 using the backup & restore app:
@Dashrender said in How to recover system image from Windows 7 using the backup & restore app:
@scottalanmiller constantly says that vendors can't refuse support to you when you have third party HDDs and RAM installed in their servers.
So I don't really see this being that different. Is it possible they could refuse you? Sure, likely, doesn't seem likely.
Support and warranty are not the same thing. Can they refuse you for support? Yup.
Selling a server and the hardware fails is not the same as buying software and asking how to use it.
What? This sounds like a back pedal.
Of course warranty, i.e. they'll replace their parts in the system, but support is so much more important than that, at least up to the point of the gear that isn't theirs.
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I've never considered they wouldn't replace, say a bad motherboard, if you installed 3rd party RAM in it. Though considering this discussion now, I suppose they could try.
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@Dashrender said in How to recover system image from Windows 7 using the backup & restore app:
I've never considered they wouldn't replace, say a bad motherboard, if you installed 3rd party RAM in it. Though considering this discussion now, I suppose they could try.
If they can find a way to blame it on the RAM, you bet.
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But now I think Scott is saying they can't blame it on the 3rd party RAM, instead they must still replace it assuming it's still broke while only containing their RAM and no 3rd party.
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@art_of_shred said in How to recover system image from Windows 7 using the backup & restore app:
@Dashrender said in How to recover system image from Windows 7 using the backup & restore app:
I've never considered they wouldn't replace, say a bad motherboard, if you installed 3rd party RAM in it. Though considering this discussion now, I suppose they could try.
If they can find a way to blame it on the RAM, you bet.
Well don't go purchasing the $200 1TB ram kit, and you should be fine...
Get something reputable and with warranty of its own and generally you're OKAY.
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But this flies in the face of what I have believed Scott to be saying for years!
I thought he was saying they HAVE to provide support even if there was 3rd party stuff in the box.
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@Dashrender said in How to recover system image from Windows 7 using the backup & restore app:
But this flies in the face of what I have believed Scott to be saying for years!
I thought he was saying they HAVE to provide support even if there was 3rd party stuff in the box.
Generally they do and will, because they know equipment gets upgraded over time etc.
If they flat out dropped you from support heads would roll.
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Well I'm not sure why, but I felt that Scott's position was that they wouldn't require you to remove your third party stuff from the machine before troublshooting, but now that doesn't appear to be the case.
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I certainly learned my lesson. All DELL parts in DELL production servers.
All from xByte, of course.
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@Dashrender said in How to recover system image from Windows 7 using the backup & restore app:
@scottalanmiller said in How to recover system image from Windows 7 using the backup & restore app:
@Dashrender said in How to recover system image from Windows 7 using the backup & restore app:
@scottalanmiller constantly says that vendors can't refuse support to you when you have third party HDDs and RAM installed in their servers.
So I don't really see this being that different. Is it possible they could refuse you? Sure, likely, doesn't seem likely.
Support and warranty are not the same thing. Can they refuse you for support? Yup.
Selling a server and the hardware fails is not the same as buying software and asking how to use it.
What? This sounds like a back pedal.
Of course warranty, i.e. they'll replace their parts in the system, but support is so much more important than that, at least up to the point of the gear that isn't theirs.
In what way is it a back pedal? What they sell you is warrantied regardless of what third party parts you use with it.
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@Dashrender said in How to recover system image from Windows 7 using the backup & restore app:
I've never considered they wouldn't replace, say a bad motherboard, if you installed 3rd party RAM in it. Though considering this discussion now, I suppose they could try.
But THAT is exactly what the discussion is always about. People claim that putting a third party hard drive in a server means that Dell will not honor the warranty of unrelated parts.
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@Dashrender said in How to recover system image from Windows 7 using the backup & restore app:
But now I think Scott is saying they can't blame it on the 3rd party RAM, instead they must still replace it assuming it's still broke while only containing their RAM and no 3rd party.
If they can show that you've damaged their hardware, which is what that means, then of course they don't support it. That's not what a warranty is.
Warranty is replacing the engine when it fails. It does NOT mean replacing the engine when you put water in the tank.
But you can't claim that carrying donuts in the back seat voids the warranty - or that using non-OEM spark plugs does.
