Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian
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I'm not a Linux guy really, I only manage a handful of non-gui VMs and web servers using Ubuntu or CentOS.
I've played with some distros with GUIs, especially Mint, but some others too like say Elementary. I've tried out KDE, Cinnamon, xfce, Mate, Gnome, Plasma just for kicks. I could never find anything that really felt good enough to use as a primary OS. And I don't play games, rarely.But regarding language, it can sometimes still be difficult knowing when to say "this is a Linux thing" versus something that is more about the distro, the GUI, the window manager, the graphics subsystem, whatever implementation.
Today I found myself installing a tool on Window. But the folders it created reminded me of a Linux file system, i.e. "usr", "etc", "bin", and so on. And I thought to myself, "their folder structure looks like Linux".
Then I stopped myself. Do the folders really look like "Linux", or do they look like what is common of many "distros"? Many "OSes"? Is the folder system a function of the kernel or just a convention? If the kernel were swapped with a different kernel, wouldn't it still use the same folder structure?
I'm not sure it's accurate to say the folders "looked like Linux". But at the same time, it sounds pedantic to use almost any other phraseology than the simple phrase "looks like Linux".
I don't know why the file system is the way it is, maybe it's convention, maybe not. But nothing sounded better than the simple observation "looks like Linux".If that was inaccurate terminology, I don't know what would be better.
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@guyinpv said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
I'm not sure it's accurate to say the folders "looked like Linux". But at the same time, it sounds pedantic to use almost any other phraseology than the simple phrase "looks like Linux".
I don't know why the file system is the way it is, maybe it's convention, maybe not. But nothing sounded better than the simple observation "looks like Linux".
If that was inaccurate terminology, I don't know what would be better.I just say Unix-like
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@guyinpv said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
I'm not a Linux guy really, I only manage a handful of non-gui VMs and web servers using Ubuntu or CentOS.
I've played with some distros with GUIs, especially Mint, but some others too like say Elementary. I've tried out KDE, Cinnamon, xfce, Mate, Gnome, Plasma just for kicks. I could never find anything that really felt good enough to use as a primary OS. And I don't play games, rarely.But regarding language, it can sometimes still be difficult knowing when to say "this is a Linux thing" versus something that is more about the distro, the GUI, the window manager, the graphics subsystem, whatever implementation.
Today I found myself installing a tool on Window. But the folders it created reminded me of a Linux file system, i.e. "usr", "etc", "bin", and so on. And I thought to myself, "their folder structure looks like Linux".
Then I stopped myself. Do the folders really look like "Linux", or do they look like what is common of many "distros"? Many "OSes"? Is the folder system a function of the kernel or just a convention? If the kernel were swapped with a different kernel, wouldn't it still use the same folder structure?
I'm not sure it's accurate to say the folders "looked like Linux". But at the same time, it sounds pedantic to use almost any other phraseology than the simple phrase "looks like Linux".
I don't know why the file system is the way it is, maybe it's convention, maybe not. But nothing sounded better than the simple observation "looks like Linux".If that was inaccurate terminology, I don't know what would be better.
Wire is correct. It's a conventional UNIX file structure that you are talking about. Nothing "looks like" a kernel, kernels have no external artifacts. There is no command, interface, filesystem or such tells you anything about the kernel. Only people writing code directly to the OS API can tell what it looks like and as Linux is a clone it doesn't look like itself even.
In the 1970s a convention in file structures was introduced for early UNIX systems. Lots of things use it today. Most Linux do, but not all.
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@scottalanmiller said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
Wire is correct.
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The point being this is not common knowledge or vernacular.
To all but the most learned, something is either "Linux-y" or "Windows-y" or "Mac-y".
I'm not sure we'll ever get away from the idea that the word "Linux" has simply become "those other OSes that aren't Windows or Mac".
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@guyinpv said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
"Mac-y"
Windows is bad Mmmkay
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@guyinpv Common knowledge tells people tomatoes are vegetables when they are actually fruit
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@guyinpv said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
To all but the most learned, something is either "Linux-y" or "Windows-y" or "Mac-y".
How does something appear to be Linux or Mac since they share almost everything?
What do you call it when Windows looks Linuxy and Linux does not?
Ubuntu on Windows is pure Windows, no Linux, but looks like what you think of as Linux.
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@guyinpv said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
I'm not sure we'll ever get away from the idea that the word "Linux" has simply.....
What is important is that people in tech, IT and business should use Linux to mean Linux. People who use Linux to mean "thing I made up known only to me" will always exist and must be ignored. This exists in every field.
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Who are we having issues with using the word Linux incorrectly, End Users or IT Pros?
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@black3dynamite said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
Who are we having issues with using word Linux incorrectly, End Users or IT Pros?
Both actually
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@black3dynamite said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
Who are we having issues with using the word Linux incorrectly, End Users or IT Pros?
In the case that promoted the discussion.... IT people trying to make deep technical decisions based on totally false information created by totally bluffing on using a term they didn't understand.
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@scottalanmiller said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
@black3dynamite said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
Who are we having issues with using the word Linux incorrectly, End Users or IT Pros?
In the case that promoted the discussion.... IT people trying to make deep technical decisions based on totally false information created by totally bluffing on using a term they didn't understand.
What is considered "common knowledge" is actually no knowledge. Like how every component of a computer is the "monitor" or "domain". They learn one word and then call everything that word.
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@wirestyle22 said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
@scottalanmiller said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
@black3dynamite said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
Who are we having issues with using the word Linux incorrectly, End Users or IT Pros?
In the case that promoted the discussion.... IT people trying to make deep technical decisions based on totally false information created by totally bluffing on using a term they didn't understand.
What is considered "common knowledge" is actually no knowledge. Like how every component of a computer is the "monitor" or "domain". They learn one word and then call everything that word.
When I used to call domain controllers "domains", too
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@wirestyle22 said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
@wirestyle22 said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
@scottalanmiller said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
@black3dynamite said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
Who are we having issues with using the word Linux incorrectly, End Users or IT Pros?
In the case that promoted the discussion.... IT people trying to make deep technical decisions based on totally false information created by totally bluffing on using a term they didn't understand.
What is considered "common knowledge" is actually no knowledge. Like how every component of a computer is the "monitor" or "domain". They learn one word and then call everything that word.
When I used to call domain controllers "domains", too
LOL. Oh yeah. That was so confusing.
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@scottalanmiller said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
@wirestyle22 said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
@wirestyle22 said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
@scottalanmiller said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
@black3dynamite said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
Who are we having issues with using the word Linux incorrectly, End Users or IT Pros?
In the case that promoted the discussion.... IT people trying to make deep technical decisions based on totally false information created by totally bluffing on using a term they didn't understand.
What is considered "common knowledge" is actually no knowledge. Like how every component of a computer is the "monitor" or "domain". They learn one word and then call everything that word.
When I used to call domain controllers "domains", too
LOL. Oh yeah. That was so confusing.
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My Linux is better than your Linux.
