KVM Desktop Setup Ideas
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
KVM is also nice because you can continue using that machine as a regular desktop as well, if you need to do so. (Can't do that with VMware, Hyper-V or XenServer).
No one expects to use their Type 1 hypervisor as a desktop.
What? Tons do. Both KVM and Hyper-V are very popular for exactly this.
No. . . very few people say "I'm going to install Hyper-V and use it as my daily driver on my Dell Server" no one does that.
No, they don't call it Hyper-V - they call it Windows 10 pro and then use Hyper-V.
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
KVM is also nice because you can continue using that machine as a regular desktop as well, if you need to do so. (Can't do that with VMware, Hyper-V or XenServer).
No one expects to use their Type 1 hypervisor as a desktop.
What? Tons do. Both KVM and Hyper-V are very popular for exactly this.
No. . . very few people say "I'm going to install Hyper-V and use it as my daily driver on my Dell Server" no one does that.
No, they don't call it Hyper-V - they call it Windows 10 pro and then use Hyper-V.
That isn't the same conversation.
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
KVM is also nice because you can continue using that machine as a regular desktop as well, if you need to do so. (Can't do that with VMware, Hyper-V or XenServer).
No one expects to use their Type 1 hypervisor as a desktop.
What? Tons do. Both KVM and Hyper-V are very popular for exactly this.
No. . . very few people say "I'm going to install Hyper-V and use it as my daily driver on my Dell Server" no one does that.
Actually a HUGE number do. It's insanely common for developers especially and IT folk. It's hard to state how common this is.
Have you never heard of the desktop virtualization market? This is a totally normal thing. Nearly everyone I know does this, both IT and dev and loads that are neither.
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@hobbit666 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
desktop machine
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
KVM is also nice because you can continue using that machine as a regular desktop as well, if you need to do so. (Can't do that with VMware, Hyper-V or XenServer).
No one expects to use their Type 1 hypervisor as a desktop.
He suggests this is going to be on a desktop machine. I'm not going to waste a desktop being only a hypervisor if it's mine.
And as Type 1s typically do a better job at being a desktop than Type 2s today, the entire Type 2 market has been essentially replaced by type 1s.
The only market left for Type 2 is people who run Windows Home edition, mostly for gaming, and can't get Hyper-V with the local pass through for it.
Wouldn't this be a power user type move - where the person would choose to pay for Pro to get Hyper-V, to act more business like - assuming that's the goal? (related to a topic the other day)
If "power user" means "normal user in IT or dev", then yes. It's not something your grandma is going to do. It IS something that loads of people do because they want to do web design, visit risky sites, want extra security, test things, need to run software from different OSes or versions, etc.
It's power user for a home user, it's not power user for any tech field.
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
KVM is also nice because you can continue using that machine as a regular desktop as well, if you need to do so. (Can't do that with VMware, Hyper-V or XenServer).
No one expects to use their Type 1 hypervisor as a desktop.
What? Tons do. Both KVM and Hyper-V are very popular for exactly this.
No. . . very few people say "I'm going to install Hyper-V and use it as my daily driver on my Dell Server" no one does that.
No, they don't call it Hyper-V - they call it Windows 10 pro and then use Hyper-V.
Right, they don't SAY it, because they don't know the terms. They aren't actually power users. They are just using aspects of the desktop without knowing what it is.
Same with Docker. All Docker on Windows is actually on Linux in a VM on Hyper-V, but people THINK it is Docker on Windows, so that is what they say.
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
KVM is also nice because you can continue using that machine as a regular desktop as well, if you need to do so. (Can't do that with VMware, Hyper-V or XenServer).
No one expects to use their Type 1 hypervisor as a desktop.
What? Tons do. Both KVM and Hyper-V are very popular for exactly this.
No. . . very few people say "I'm going to install Hyper-V and use it as my daily driver on my Dell Server" no one does that.
No, they don't call it Hyper-V - they call it Windows 10 pro and then use Hyper-V.
That isn't the same conversation.
It is, we are talking about what they "do" and you are trying to say people don't "do" that thing because they don't "say" it in a way that non-power users woudl never say.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
KVM is also nice because you can continue using that machine as a regular desktop as well, if you need to do so. (Can't do that with VMware, Hyper-V or XenServer).
No one expects to use their Type 1 hypervisor as a desktop.
What? Tons do. Both KVM and Hyper-V are very popular for exactly this.
No. . . very few people say "I'm going to install Hyper-V and use it as my daily driver on my Dell Server" no one does that.
No, they don't call it Hyper-V - they call it Windows 10 pro and then use Hyper-V.
Right, they don't SAY it, because they don't know the terms. They aren't actually power users. They are just using aspects of the desktop without knowing what it is.
Same with Docker. All Docker on Windows is actually on Linux in a VM on Hyper-V, but people THINK it is Docker on Windows, so that is what they say.
OK I'll disagree with you there - anyone who's using Hyper-V at home most likely does know what it is. normals would never do this.
those huge numbers you claim do this - are all techies. Not a grandma trying to be safe - she has no clue that she's not safe normally.
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
KVM is also nice because you can continue using that machine as a regular desktop as well, if you need to do so. (Can't do that with VMware, Hyper-V or XenServer).
No one expects to use their Type 1 hypervisor as a desktop.
What? Tons do. Both KVM and Hyper-V are very popular for exactly this.
No. . . very few people say "I'm going to install Hyper-V and use it as my daily driver on my Dell Server" no one does that.
No, they don't call it Hyper-V - they call it Windows 10 pro and then use Hyper-V.
Right, they don't SAY it, because they don't know the terms. They aren't actually power users. They are just using aspects of the desktop without knowing what it is.
Same with Docker. All Docker on Windows is actually on Linux in a VM on Hyper-V, but people THINK it is Docker on Windows, so that is what they say.
OK I'll disagree with you there - anyone who's using Hyper-V at home most likely does know what it is. normals would never do this.
I'd say 90% of IT can't even tell what this is. Normals isn't a factor.
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
those huge numbers you claim do this - are all techies. Not a grandma trying to be safe - she has no clue that she's not safe normally.
This isn't relevant because that was assumed in the statement already.
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Are we talking muggle vs magics here or people who understand what the hell they are working on and those who don't.
WTF
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Are we talking muggle vs magics here or people who understand what the hell they are working on and those who don't.
WTF
Well - Scott has now declared that we are only talking about actual technical personal (techies) not normal home users.
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Are we talking muggle vs magics here or people who understand what the hell they are working on and those who don't.
WTF
Well - Scott has now declared that we are only talking about actual technical personal (techies) not normal home users.
Right, why would we be talking about home users? It's an IT question and Dustin said no one wants that (in an IT context.) But IT people use this constantly, but very few know what it is.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Anyone looking to go to Nicaragura, my favourite hotel there has reopened and I'm so happy.
this the one we talked about when you picked me up at the air port?
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@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Anyone looking to go to Nicaragura, my favourite hotel there has reopened and I'm so happy.
this the one we talked about when you picked me up at the air port?
Could be. Tower room with views of ocean, mountains, beach, town, and the resort. Three bedrooms, direct pool access.
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
KVM is also nice because you can continue using that machine as a regular desktop as well, if you need to do so. (Can't do that with VMware, Hyper-V or XenServer).
No one expects to use their Type 1 hypervisor as a desktop.
I have VMs on my local desktop with Hyper-V. Not production but they are good for a lab.
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@coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
KVM is also nice because you can continue using that machine as a regular desktop as well, if you need to do so. (Can't do that with VMware, Hyper-V or XenServer).
No one expects to use their Type 1 hypervisor as a desktop.
I have VMs on my local desktop with Hyper-V. Not production but they are good for a lab.
Is it your expectation to use XenServer as a desktop?
FFS did I say something that was confusing.
This is not an expectation generally made that a Type 1 Hypervisor can also be used as a daily driver. Persons who do this are making a case in which they need a daily driver and a Type 1 Hypervisor.
It is not the normal expectation.
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
KVM is also nice because you can continue using that machine as a regular desktop as well, if you need to do so. (Can't do that with VMware, Hyper-V or XenServer).
No one expects to use their Type 1 hypervisor as a desktop.
I have VMs on my local desktop with Hyper-V. Not production but they are good for a lab.
Is it your expectation to use XenServer as a desktop?
That's impossible, it doesn't offer that feature. Hence your confusion. You are thinking of something totally different.
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
FFS did I say something that was confusing.
Yes, you said that it was the expectation that a Type 1 would never be used in a desktop mode. This is confusing because this is an incredibly common use case for Type 1s - Hyper-V and KVM specifically see this all the time and are built specifically to accommodate it.
So much so, in fact, that both are used by automated tooling that use them in this way without even telling the user.
There are entire OSes built around KVM being always used in this way.
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
KVM is also nice because you can continue using that machine as a regular desktop as well, if you need to do so. (Can't do that with VMware, Hyper-V or XenServer).
No one expects to use their Type 1 hypervisor as a desktop.
I have VMs on my local desktop with Hyper-V. Not production but they are good for a lab.
Is it your expectation to use XenServer as a desktop?
FFS did I say something that was confusing.
This is not an expectation generally made that a Type 1 Hypervisor can also be used as a daily driver. Persons who do this are making a case in which they need a daily driver and a Type 1 Hypervisor.
It is not the normal expectation.
No? I can't use XenServer as a desktop it doesn't have that option without seriously modifying the system. I could use Xen or KVM though if I was trying to emulate what I have with Hyper-V right now.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
KVM is also nice because you can continue using that machine as a regular desktop as well, if you need to do so. (Can't do that with VMware, Hyper-V or XenServer).
No one expects to use their Type 1 hypervisor as a desktop.
I have VMs on my local desktop with Hyper-V. Not production but they are good for a lab.
Is it your expectation to use XenServer as a desktop?
That's impossible, it doesn't offer that feature. Hence your confusion. You are thinking of something totally different.
No the fuck I'm not.
My point was very clear. Is the general expectation to use a Type 1 hypervisor as a desktop. No, generally it is not. If you need to use a Type 1 hypervisor as your daily driver you would skip past XenServer, Xen, ESXi and XCP-ng and look at alternatives.
But there is in no way the general expectation that a Type 1 hypervisor is and should also be capable of being a daily driver.
