The First ChromeOS Tablet Is Out
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@jaredbusch said in The First ChromeOS Tablet Is Out:
@travisdh1 said in The First ChromeOS Tablet Is Out:
@wls-itguy said in The First ChromeOS Tablet Is Out:
@travisdh1 said in The First ChromeOS Tablet Is Out:
@wls-itguy said in The First ChromeOS Tablet Is Out:
@travisdh1 said in The First ChromeOS Tablet Is Out:
@dafyre said in The First ChromeOS Tablet Is Out:
@wls-itguy said in The First ChromeOS Tablet Is Out:
It works well. They run for about 5 hours. I thought about dual booting but not sure I'd like the idea of running Windows dual boot.
General consensus around here is you don't want to run Windows on a Lenovo device at all.
Personally, I'd rather not run a Lenovo device in any form. They can't be trusted, and have had a couple remote BIOS hacks.
Even after all the BIOS updates that have been sent out?
That doesn't matter when the company has proven to be so corrupt.
What company hasn’t been?
https://www.mangolassi.it/topic/14538/lenovo-if-it-s-on-your-network-you-are-breached
We can state as a fact that your network has been breached if a Lenovo device exists on it. That's the big difference between Lenovo and other companies.
You cannot quote your own tin foil hat posting as a source.
Why Not? Isn't it considered a reliable source?
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@wls-itguy said in The First ChromeOS Tablet Is Out:
@travisdh1 said in The First ChromeOS Tablet Is Out:
@dafyre said in The First ChromeOS Tablet Is Out:
@wls-itguy said in The First ChromeOS Tablet Is Out:
It works well. They run for about 5 hours. I thought about dual booting but not sure I'd like the idea of running Windows dual boot.
General consensus around here is you don't want to run Windows on a Lenovo device at all.
Personally, I'd rather not run a Lenovo device in any form. They can't be trusted, and have had a couple remote BIOS hacks.
Even after all the BIOS updates that have been sent out?
There will never be a situation where you can trust a Lenovo. You are dealing with an "enemy device". It's a situation of a malicious vendor. That they get caught and forced to publicly fix one known issue doesn't change that they are constantly trying to hide more things in more insidious places.
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@wls-itguy said in The First ChromeOS Tablet Is Out:
@travisdh1 said in The First ChromeOS Tablet Is Out:
@wls-itguy said in The First ChromeOS Tablet Is Out:
@travisdh1 said in The First ChromeOS Tablet Is Out:
@dafyre said in The First ChromeOS Tablet Is Out:
@wls-itguy said in The First ChromeOS Tablet Is Out:
It works well. They run for about 5 hours. I thought about dual booting but not sure I'd like the idea of running Windows dual boot.
General consensus around here is you don't want to run Windows on a Lenovo device at all.
Personally, I'd rather not run a Lenovo device in any form. They can't be trusted, and have had a couple remote BIOS hacks.
Even after all the BIOS updates that have been sent out?
That doesn't matter when the company has proven to be so corrupt.
What company hasn’t been?
There is no company in this history of IT comparable to Lenovo. None. This is a unique situation unheard of, ever.
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@wls-itguy said in The First ChromeOS Tablet Is Out:
@travisdh1 said in The First ChromeOS Tablet Is Out:
@wls-itguy said in The First ChromeOS Tablet Is Out:
@travisdh1 said in The First ChromeOS Tablet Is Out:
@dafyre said in The First ChromeOS Tablet Is Out:
@wls-itguy said in The First ChromeOS Tablet Is Out:
It works well. They run for about 5 hours. I thought about dual booting but not sure I'd like the idea of running Windows dual boot.
General consensus around here is you don't want to run Windows on a Lenovo device at all.
Personally, I'd rather not run a Lenovo device in any form. They can't be trusted, and have had a couple remote BIOS hacks.
Even after all the BIOS updates that have been sent out?
That doesn't matter when the company has proven to be so corrupt.
What company hasn’t been?
Can you name any IT vendor that has intentionally put malware onto machines outside of bloatware that any good IT practice would never have even seen? A single one, other than Lenovo?
The idea that "all companies are corrupt" is extremely misleading. First, it isn't true, most companies are out there trying to do a good job. Painting with such a wide brush blames the innocent.
Second, what it does that is much more dangerous is it gives a free pass to actually corrupt, evil entities to run amok because we say "oh actual evil, that's just like normal evil so we can ignore it."
It's like ignoring a real employee who is actually stealing your company secrets and selling them to your competitors because you say "all employees are corrupt" meaning that "all employees are lazy sometimes and don't work as hard as you'd like." It hides actual illegal and unethical behaviour by labeling normal work as something so evil that it all gets lumped together.
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@scottalanmiller said in The First ChromeOS Tablet Is Out:
@wls-itguy said in The First ChromeOS Tablet Is Out:
@travisdh1 said in The First ChromeOS Tablet Is Out:
@dafyre said in The First ChromeOS Tablet Is Out:
@wls-itguy said in The First ChromeOS Tablet Is Out:
It works well. They run for about 5 hours. I thought about dual booting but not sure I'd like the idea of running Windows dual boot.
General consensus around here is you don't want to run Windows on a Lenovo device at all.
Personally, I'd rather not run a Lenovo device in any form. They can't be trusted, and have had a couple remote BIOS hacks.
Even after all the BIOS updates that have been sent out?
There will never be a situation where you can trust a Lenovo. You are dealing with an "enemy device". It's a situation of a malicious vendor. That they get caught and forced to publicly fix one known issue doesn't change that they are constantly trying to hide more things in more insidious places.
@scottalanmiller said in The First ChromeOS Tablet Is Out:
@wls-itguy said in The First ChromeOS Tablet Is Out:
@travisdh1 said in The First ChromeOS Tablet Is Out:
@wls-itguy said in The First ChromeOS Tablet Is Out:
@travisdh1 said in The First ChromeOS Tablet Is Out:
@dafyre said in The First ChromeOS Tablet Is Out:
@wls-itguy said in The First ChromeOS Tablet Is Out:
It works well. They run for about 5 hours. I thought about dual booting but not sure I'd like the idea of running Windows dual boot.
General consensus around here is you don't want to run Windows on a Lenovo device at all.
Personally, I'd rather not run a Lenovo device in any form. They can't be trusted, and have had a couple remote BIOS hacks.
Even after all the BIOS updates that have been sent out?
That doesn't matter when the company has proven to be so corrupt.
What company hasn’t been?
There is no company in this history of IT comparable to Lenovo. None. This is a unique situation unheard of, ever.
@scottalanmiller said in The First ChromeOS Tablet Is Out:
@wls-itguy said in The First ChromeOS Tablet Is Out:
@travisdh1 said in The First ChromeOS Tablet Is Out:
@wls-itguy said in The First ChromeOS Tablet Is Out:
@travisdh1 said in The First ChromeOS Tablet Is Out:
@dafyre said in The First ChromeOS Tablet Is Out:
@wls-itguy said in The First ChromeOS Tablet Is Out:
It works well. They run for about 5 hours. I thought about dual booting but not sure I'd like the idea of running Windows dual boot.
General consensus around here is you don't want to run Windows on a Lenovo device at all.
Personally, I'd rather not run a Lenovo device in any form. They can't be trusted, and have had a couple remote BIOS hacks.
Even after all the BIOS updates that have been sent out?
That doesn't matter when the company has proven to be so corrupt.
What company hasn’t been?
Can you name any IT vendor that has intentionally put malware onto machines outside of bloatware that any good IT practice would never have even seen? A single one, other than Lenovo?
The idea that "all companies are corrupt" is extremely misleading. First, it isn't true, most companies are out there trying to do a good job. Painting with such a wide brush blames the innocent.
Second, what it does that is much more dangerous is it gives a free pass to actually corrupt, evil entities to run amok because we say "oh actual evil, that's just like normal evil so we can ignore it."
It's like ignoring a real employee who is actually stealing your company secrets and selling them to your competitors because you say "all employees are corrupt" meaning that "all employees are lazy sometimes and don't work as hard as you'd like." It hides actual illegal and unethical behaviour by labeling normal work as something so evil that it all gets lumped together.
I'm not saying that what Lenovo did wasn't wrong. What I am saying is that other companies could be doing things like this and haven't gotten busted or haven't been as aggressive as Lenovo was. That being said, we will not be using Lenovo as a hardware vendor again.
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@wls-itguy said in The First ChromeOS Tablet Is Out:
@scottalanmiller said in The First ChromeOS Tablet Is Out:
@wls-itguy said in The First ChromeOS Tablet Is Out:
@travisdh1 said in The First ChromeOS Tablet Is Out:
@dafyre said in The First ChromeOS Tablet Is Out:
@wls-itguy said in The First ChromeOS Tablet Is Out:
It works well. They run for about 5 hours. I thought about dual booting but not sure I'd like the idea of running Windows dual boot.
General consensus around here is you don't want to run Windows on a Lenovo device at all.
Personally, I'd rather not run a Lenovo device in any form. They can't be trusted, and have had a couple remote BIOS hacks.
Even after all the BIOS updates that have been sent out?
There will never be a situation where you can trust a Lenovo. You are dealing with an "enemy device". It's a situation of a malicious vendor. That they get caught and forced to publicly fix one known issue doesn't change that they are constantly trying to hide more things in more insidious places.
@scottalanmiller said in The First ChromeOS Tablet Is Out:
@wls-itguy said in The First ChromeOS Tablet Is Out:
@travisdh1 said in The First ChromeOS Tablet Is Out:
@wls-itguy said in The First ChromeOS Tablet Is Out:
@travisdh1 said in The First ChromeOS Tablet Is Out:
@dafyre said in The First ChromeOS Tablet Is Out:
@wls-itguy said in The First ChromeOS Tablet Is Out:
It works well. They run for about 5 hours. I thought about dual booting but not sure I'd like the idea of running Windows dual boot.
General consensus around here is you don't want to run Windows on a Lenovo device at all.
Personally, I'd rather not run a Lenovo device in any form. They can't be trusted, and have had a couple remote BIOS hacks.
Even after all the BIOS updates that have been sent out?
That doesn't matter when the company has proven to be so corrupt.
What company hasn’t been?
There is no company in this history of IT comparable to Lenovo. None. This is a unique situation unheard of, ever.
@scottalanmiller said in The First ChromeOS Tablet Is Out:
@wls-itguy said in The First ChromeOS Tablet Is Out:
@travisdh1 said in The First ChromeOS Tablet Is Out:
@wls-itguy said in The First ChromeOS Tablet Is Out:
@travisdh1 said in The First ChromeOS Tablet Is Out:
@dafyre said in The First ChromeOS Tablet Is Out:
@wls-itguy said in The First ChromeOS Tablet Is Out:
It works well. They run for about 5 hours. I thought about dual booting but not sure I'd like the idea of running Windows dual boot.
General consensus around here is you don't want to run Windows on a Lenovo device at all.
Personally, I'd rather not run a Lenovo device in any form. They can't be trusted, and have had a couple remote BIOS hacks.
Even after all the BIOS updates that have been sent out?
That doesn't matter when the company has proven to be so corrupt.
What company hasn’t been?
Can you name any IT vendor that has intentionally put malware onto machines outside of bloatware that any good IT practice would never have even seen? A single one, other than Lenovo?
The idea that "all companies are corrupt" is extremely misleading. First, it isn't true, most companies are out there trying to do a good job. Painting with such a wide brush blames the innocent.
Second, what it does that is much more dangerous is it gives a free pass to actually corrupt, evil entities to run amok because we say "oh actual evil, that's just like normal evil so we can ignore it."
It's like ignoring a real employee who is actually stealing your company secrets and selling them to your competitors because you say "all employees are corrupt" meaning that "all employees are lazy sometimes and don't work as hard as you'd like." It hides actual illegal and unethical behaviour by labeling normal work as something so evil that it all gets lumped together.
I'm not saying that what Lenovo did wasn't wrong. What I am saying is that other companies could be doing things like this and haven't gotten busted or haven't been as aggressive as Lenovo was. That being said, we will not be using Lenovo as a hardware vendor again.
I might have murdered a few hundred people in another country too, but that doesn't mean everyone is a mass murderer. Or even that I am.
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@wls-itguy said in The First ChromeOS Tablet Is Out:
I'm not saying that what Lenovo did wasn't wrong. What I am saying is that other companies could be doing things like this and haven't gotten busted or haven't been as aggressive as Lenovo was. That being said, we will not be using Lenovo as a hardware vendor again.
This is horrible logic. What this does is give Lenovo a pass because other people might be better crooks. Yes, it's a true statement. Any vendor might be more evil than Lenovo and just be better at not getting caught. But you can never operate as if they were, it's a useless statement outside of a philosophy class. You should have a solid understanding that just because someone hasn't gotten caught, doesn't mean that they aren't a bad guy: absolutely true. You can't just give full trust to random people with no vetting, true. But you also cannot take Dell, HPE, SuperMicro, Acer, Asus, etc. and treat them equally as companies that have no history of malicious behaviour and see them as related to a company with a track record of several of the most malicious and vicious hacking attempts in industry history - both repeatedly attacking customers and showing zero remorse when caught.
It's like saying that a hardened criminal who keeps getting caught breaking into houses and killing the inhabitants, then goes to court and laughs about how easy it was to break in and kill them; then serves their forced prison time, gets out and does it again and laughs again about what fools we were to let them out of prison, does their time, rinse and repeat... is the same as "any person you meet on the street" because they "might be just as bad as that hardened criminal but way better at not getting caught."
Yes, somewhere in society is a serial killer who is actually far worse than that sloppy criminal who got caught. But we know that the average person, by far most people, are not doing that stuff and never would. And we have to treat people with caution, certainly, when they have not yet gained our trust. But we must treat random strangers with far more trust by default, than we would treat someone known to be a repeat, remorseless, criminal.
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Something that makes it sometimes hard to see companies like Lenovo as a legitimate threat is idiots like Kevin Mitnick who were never a threat to anyone, got caught, and are now famous "hackers" only for being sloppy and failing to do what they tried to do. So publicly we tend to see only the worst hackers, and they are a big joke. Loads of people "respect" them, because they think "hackers are cool". And they forget that the good hackers will never be on a stage at a conference, only the pretend ones or the laughably bad ones will be.
This gives a bad impression of vendors who do bad things because it makes it seem like Lenovo, in this case, might be just sloppy or a big joke, rather than a truly epically, record breaking evil organization.
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@scottalanmiller said in The First ChromeOS Tablet Is Out:
@wls-itguy said in The First ChromeOS Tablet Is Out:
I'm not saying that what Lenovo did wasn't wrong. What I am saying is that other companies could be doing things like this and haven't gotten busted or haven't been as aggressive as Lenovo was. That being said, we will not be using Lenovo as a hardware vendor again.
This is horrible logic. What this does is give Lenovo a pass because other people might be better crooks. Yes, it's a true statement. Any vendor might be more evil than Lenovo and just be better at not getting caught. But you can never operate as if they were, it's a useless statement outside of a philosophy class. You should have a solid understanding that just because someone hasn't gotten caught, doesn't mean that they aren't a bad guy: absolutely true. You can't just give full trust to random people with no vetting, true. But you also cannot take Dell, HPE, SuperMicro, Acer, Asus, etc. and treat them equally as companies that have no history of malicious behaviour and see them as related to a company with a track record of several of the most malicious and vicious hacking attempts in industry history - both repeatedly attacking customers and showing zero remorse when caught.
It's like saying that a hardened criminal who keeps getting caught breaking into houses and killing the inhabitants, then goes to court and laughs about how easy it was to break in and kill them; then serves their forced prison time, gets out and does it again and laughs again about what fools we were to let them out of prison, does their time, rinse and repeat... is the same as "any person you meet on the street" because they "might be just as bad as that hardened criminal but way better at not getting caught."
Yes, somewhere in society is a serial killer who is actually far worse than that sloppy criminal who got caught. But we know that the average person, by far most people, are not doing that stuff and never would. And we have to treat people with caution, certainly, when they have not yet gained our trust. But we must treat random strangers with far more trust by default, than we would treat someone known to be a repeat, remorseless, criminal.
You're making a big assumption as to what I meant by my statement. I, in no way, condone what they did. I'm simply stating that just because other companies haven't been caught doesn't mean their not doing it.
The issue for me, is that I can't somehow shit money to get rid of the corrupt product on my network before the fiscal year.
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We need a post that lays out all the reasons why Lenovo is bad. Then we can just link to it. It comes up all the time it seems like.
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@penguinwrangler said in The First ChromeOS Tablet Is Out:
We need a post that lays out all the reasons why Lenovo is bad. Then we can just link to it. It comes up all the time it seems like.
There is a link to Travis' blog post but his site was down.
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@penguinwrangler said in The First ChromeOS Tablet Is Out:
We need a post that lays out all the reasons why Lenovo is bad. Then we can just link to it. It comes up all the time it seems like.
Pretty sure we have one that collected them. We've had a few threads about it, but the bigger issue is tracking it down.
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@wls-itguy said in The First ChromeOS Tablet Is Out:
@penguinwrangler said in The First ChromeOS Tablet Is Out:
We need a post that lays out all the reasons why Lenovo is bad. Then we can just link to it. It comes up all the time it seems like.
There is a link to Travis' blog post but his site was down.
Yeah, I got caught in the fun domain renewal and switch dance, gr.
