Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?
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@scottalanmiller said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@Dashrender said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
Running it on win10 does question- does cameras streaming TO Win10 violate licensing?
No, that is a client action and fully within the EULA.
You're streaming into Windows 10, to a service that is not file or print. So how is it not violating the EULA?
The same goes to Unifi APs - they connect to a non File/Print service ON the Windows 10 box. So that makes it against the EULA.
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@scottalanmiller said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@Dashrender said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
Scott and I agreed that unifi APs and the controller software on win10 does violate the license, requiring the use of windows server version.
In that case, though, they recommend using Linux and provide totally free, and more enterprise options, for all users. So anyone running into any issue at all, is doing so intentionally.
Sadly- no Unifi doesn't in black and why say that at all. Perhaps through understanding they imply it, but it's not in black and white that I'm aware of.
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@scottalanmiller said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@biggen said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
I’ll run it on Win 10. Reading on the intertubes, that seems to be working for the populace. It’s a shame it’s not designed for a more “production ready” environment. Maybe I need to bitch and moan on their forums for an “updated” VM ready version.
Yes, that you can't virtualize on Linux is ridiculous.
I'm not sure what you're saying here? Virtualize on Linux, as in a Linux based VM? or a Linux base hypervisor?
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@Dashrender said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@biggen said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@Dashrender said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@biggen said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
So I think I’m going to stick with Blue Iris but just build out a separate machine just for that. I’ve got plenty of parts lying around to white box it. It’s features and GUI are just too good and other competing surveillance software wants licensing PER CAM while Blue Iris is a flat fee.
Seems silly to have a physical host for one specific application in 2019 but unless I want to pony up $$$ for another type of software, I guess this is it.
I’ll run it on Win 10. Reading on the intertubes, that seems to be working for the populace. It’s a shame it’s not designed for a more “production ready” environment. Maybe I need to bitch and moan on their forums for an “updated” VM ready version.
Running it on win10 does question- does cameras streaming TO Win10 violate licensing?
Scott and I agreed that unifi APs and the controller software on win10 does violate the license, requiring the use of windows server version.
I have no idea. Their recommendation is a Win 10 install. Not that it’s their problem if you invalidate a license. But I’d say that 99.999% of their user base has Blue Iris installed to Win 10.
OH, of course they do - doesn't make it legal. So you have to ask yourself - you ready for an audit?
It shouldn't be getting caught that makes us do the right thing
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@Dashrender said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
You're streaming into Windows 10, to a service that is not file or print. So how is it not violating the EULA?
Because that's like using youTube. YouTube is "steaming in", so is Netflix. That's a client action, and exactly what the OS is meant for.
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@Dashrender said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
The same goes to Unifi APs - they connect to a non File/Print service ON the Windows 10 box. So that makes it against the EULA.
In their case, it would be fun except they use it as a server, they are posting to, not being pulled from. If you remember, we had to dig into the mechanism to see that it was doing its action in a non-intuitive way that caused a problem that normally would not be there.
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@Dashrender said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@scottalanmiller said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@biggen said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
I’ll run it on Win 10. Reading on the intertubes, that seems to be working for the populace. It’s a shame it’s not designed for a more “production ready” environment. Maybe I need to bitch and moan on their forums for an “updated” VM ready version.
Yes, that you can't virtualize on Linux is ridiculous.
I'm not sure what you're saying here? Virtualize on Linux, as in a Linux based VM? or a Linux base hypervisor?
Hypervisors can't be a factor, so it has to be the VM. If the platform underneath matters, you aren't fully virtualized.
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I appreciate everyone's help. As I said, I'm just going to build a small Win 10 box and be done with it. That seems to be the simplest solution as it appears that is how the software was made to operate.
Thanks for the information guys!
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@scottalanmiller said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@Dashrender said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
You're streaming into Windows 10, to a service that is not file or print. So how is it not violating the EULA?
Because that's like using youTube. YouTube is "steaming in", so is Netflix. That's a client action, and exactly what the OS is meant for.
The difference is that you sent the request to YouTube to send you data... are the cameras working the same? If the cameras are just broadcasting, and the client on the PC is asking for the stream.. then I agree with you.
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@scottalanmiller said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@Dashrender said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@scottalanmiller said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@biggen said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
I’ll run it on Win 10. Reading on the intertubes, that seems to be working for the populace. It’s a shame it’s not designed for a more “production ready” environment. Maybe I need to bitch and moan on their forums for an “updated” VM ready version.
Yes, that you can't virtualize on Linux is ridiculous.
I'm not sure what you're saying here? Virtualize on Linux, as in a Linux based VM? or a Linux base hypervisor?
Hypervisors can't be a factor, so it has to be the VM. If the platform underneath matters, you aren't fully virtualized.
I'm guessing that's the issue then, not fully virtualized, i.e. CS isn't being virtualized, otherwise running the CS client in the VM should solve the issue.
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@Dashrender said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@scottalanmiller said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@Dashrender said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
You're streaming into Windows 10, to a service that is not file or print. So how is it not violating the EULA?
Because that's like using youTube. YouTube is "steaming in", so is Netflix. That's a client action, and exactly what the OS is meant for.
The difference is that you sent the request to YouTube to send you data... are the cameras working the same? If the cameras are just broadcasting, and the client on the PC is asking for the stream.. then I agree with you.
Even if that's the case, there may be other features of the software that make it ask as a server. So then the user has to not use those features to stay within the EULA.
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@flaxking said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@Dashrender said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@scottalanmiller said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@Dashrender said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
You're streaming into Windows 10, to a service that is not file or print. So how is it not violating the EULA?
Because that's like using youTube. YouTube is "steaming in", so is Netflix. That's a client action, and exactly what the OS is meant for.
The difference is that you sent the request to YouTube to send you data... are the cameras working the same? If the cameras are just broadcasting, and the client on the PC is asking for the stream.. then I agree with you.
Even if that's the case, there may be other features of the software that make it ask as a server. So then the user has to not use those features to stay within the EULA.
Well - one feature we KNOW it does do is provide streaming access to the recorded content... but it's doing so via HTTPS, and that is specifically allowed for up to 10 (or is it 20 now) connections.
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@Dashrender almost every camera that I’ve ever worked with simply provides a web interface or RTSP feed that whatever is going to view it whether it’s a server that’s going to record or a person directly browsing simply goes to that URL and port to view the feed.
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@JaredBusch said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@Dashrender almost every camera that I’ve ever worked with simply provides a web interface or RTSP feed that whatever is going to view it whether it’s a server that’s going to record or a person directly browsing simply goes to that URL and port to view the feed.
Thanks - I've never used one yet..
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@Dashrender said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@JaredBusch said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@Dashrender almost every camera that I’ve ever worked with simply provides a web interface or RTSP feed that whatever is going to view it whether it’s a server that’s going to record or a person directly browsing simply goes to that URL and port to view the feed.
Thanks - I've never used one yet..
Doing it in any other fashion over complicates the camera. It would require the camera to have logic to communicate with the server and all this stuff that it does not need. Right now the cameras just have a very simple light HTTP server to serve a RTSP feed.
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@JaredBusch said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@Dashrender said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@JaredBusch said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@Dashrender almost every camera that I’ve ever worked with simply provides a web interface or RTSP feed that whatever is going to view it whether it’s a server that’s going to record or a person directly browsing simply goes to that URL and port to view the feed.
Thanks - I've never used one yet..
Doing it in any other fashion over complicates the camera. It would require the camera to have logic to communicate with the server and all this stuff that it does not need. Right now the cameras just have a very simple light HTTP server to serve a RTSP feed.
That's cool/good. removes any issues with the EULA, at least for receiving the RTSP feeds. And as I already stated, the sending out of feeds to other clients should all be fine as well, because, if I read the OP correctly - they are just sent out over a webpage connection - which the EULA allows.
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@JaredBusch said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@Dashrender almost every camera that I’ve ever worked with simply provides a web interface or RTSP feed that whatever is going to view it whether it’s a server that’s going to record or a person directly browsing simply goes to that URL and port to view the feed.
Same here, including Axis.
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@Dashrender said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@JaredBusch said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@Dashrender almost every camera that I’ve ever worked with simply provides a web interface or RTSP feed that whatever is going to view it whether it’s a server that’s going to record or a person directly browsing simply goes to that URL and port to view the feed.
Thanks - I've never used one yet..
Requiring the server to "pull" data from a constantly running camera would be really weird conceptually. Think of it like a radio station that is always broadcasting. How weird would it be if each radio had to check in and "request" the broadcast go to them, even though it was already broadcasting.
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@scottalanmiller said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@Dashrender said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@JaredBusch said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@Dashrender almost every camera that I’ve ever worked with simply provides a web interface or RTSP feed that whatever is going to view it whether it’s a server that’s going to record or a person directly browsing simply goes to that URL and port to view the feed.
Thanks - I've never used one yet..
Requiring the server to "pull" data from a constantly running camera would be really weird conceptually. Think of it like a radio station that is always broadcasting. How weird would it be if each radio had to check in and "request" the broadcast go to them, even though it was already broadcasting.
In a routed situation - isn't that exactly what has to happen? or is this only usable in a broadcast domain? serious question.
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@Dashrender said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@scottalanmiller said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@Dashrender said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@JaredBusch said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@Dashrender almost every camera that I’ve ever worked with simply provides a web interface or RTSP feed that whatever is going to view it whether it’s a server that’s going to record or a person directly browsing simply goes to that URL and port to view the feed.
Thanks - I've never used one yet..
Requiring the server to "pull" data from a constantly running camera would be really weird conceptually. Think of it like a radio station that is always broadcasting. How weird would it be if each radio had to check in and "request" the broadcast go to them, even though it was already broadcasting.
In a routed situation - isn't that exactly what has to happen? or is this only usable in a broadcast domain? serious question.
Of course not. It is no different than how you watch a stream from YouTube or Netflix.
