Paying to upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 10
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@scottalanmiller said in Paying to upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 10:
What about going for the $88 OEM deal? I know it is a pain compared to the full retail box, but even if you use every copy on two machines, it's much cheaper.
Doesn't an OEM licence have to be used on a brand new machine? Not sure what you mean by "use every copy on two machines"? I'm not very familiar with OEM licencing.
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@scottalanmiller said in Paying to upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 10:
@Carnival-Boy do you have access to VL Open?
We do. I will look for pricing on that. So VL offers an upgrade version, but retail doesn't? Seems odd.
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@Carnival-Boy said in Paying to upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 10:
@scottalanmiller said in Paying to upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 10:
@Carnival-Boy do you have access to VL Open?
We do. I will look for pricing on that. So VL offers an upgrade version, but retail doesn't? Seems odd.
It's because VL is only upgrade
That's all that VL ever is (traditionally at least.) I think that they are using the system to push people to the VL world. -
@scottalanmiller said in Paying to upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 10:
It's because VL is only upgrade
Ah yes! Of course. Good point
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@Carnival-Boy said in Paying to upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 10:
@scottalanmiller said in Paying to upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 10:
What about going for the $88 OEM deal? I know it is a pain compared to the full retail box, but even if you use every copy on two machines, it's much cheaper.
Doesn't an OEM licence have to be used on a brand new machine? Not sure what you mean by "use every copy on two machines"? I'm not very familiar with OEM licencing.
No, no such requirement. OEM is perfectly fine for a used machine. But once you use it, it's tied to that machine forever (technically the motherboard.) So if you have Windows 7 OEM on a machine today, and you buy Windows 10 OEM for it this afternoon, both your Windows 7 and WIndows 10 licenses are applied to that one machine, forever. You can never reuse either of them (but you can dual boot Win 7 and 10 if you wanted to.)
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There is a bizarre requirement, that might be removed now, that no one pays attention to, that OEM used to have to be sold with a piece of hardware. So it was common to sell it with a memory stick, hard drive, USB stick, etc. That's been lifted or is so weird that it is totally ignored today.
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@scottalanmiller said in Paying to upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 10:
There is a bizarre requirement, that might be removed now, that no one pays attention to, that OEM used to have to be sold with a piece of hardware. So it was common to sell it with a memory stick, hard drive, USB stick, etc. That's been lifted or is so weird that it is totally ignored today.
I remember that, the first computer system I built I bought Windows
XPME actually, and with the CD and Key came a memory module.I was very confused at first trying to figure out what I was supposed to do with this part.... lol
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@DustinB3403 said in Paying to upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 10:
@scottalanmiller said in Paying to upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 10:
There is a bizarre requirement, that might be removed now, that no one pays attention to, that OEM used to have to be sold with a piece of hardware. So it was common to sell it with a memory stick, hard drive, USB stick, etc. That's been lifted or is so weird that it is totally ignored today.
I remember that, the first computer system I built I bought Windows
XPME actually, and with the CD and Key came a memory module.I was very confused at first trying to figure out what I was supposed to do with this part.... lol
They often sent dead parts in the box, just kept dead memory and stuff laying around and tossed it in the box. Problem was, MS faced legal problems from that that they didn't want.... like people being able to say that the license was tied to the memory instead of the mobo (which is how it used to be) so that dead memory could be kept and the OEM applied to machine after machine. So they moved to just tying it to the mobo.
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@scottalanmiller Yeah I could see how that could become a big issue...
Well hey you guys have been sending me dead RAM with every purchase.....
Just affix the key to the RAM, and throw that into a locker somewhere. Product keys for life.
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@scottalanmiller said in Paying to upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 10:
That's been lifted or is so weird that it is totally ignored today.
From Microsoft.com:
If you are building a system for your personal use or installing an additional operating system in a virtual machine, you will need to purchase a full version of Windows 10, available in FPP. Windows 10, Windows 8.1, and Windows 7 system builder software does not permit personal use, and is intended only for preinstallation on customer systems that will be sold to end users.*OEM is system builder, isn't it? That seems pretty clear, doesn't it?
https://www.microsoft.com/OEM/en/licensing/sblicensing/Pages/windows-licensing-for-personal-use.aspx -
@Carnival-Boy said in Paying to upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 10:
@scottalanmiller said in Paying to upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 10:
That's been lifted or is so weird that it is totally ignored today.
From Microsoft.com:
If you are building a system for your personal use or installing an additional operating system in a virtual machine, you will need to purchase a full version of Windows 10, available in FPP. Windows 10, Windows 8.1, and Windows 7 system builder software does not permit personal use, and is intended only for preinstallation on customer systems that will be sold to end users.*OEM is system builder, isn't it? That seems pretty clear, doesn't it?
https://www.microsoft.com/OEM/en/licensing/sblicensing/Pages/windows-licensing-for-personal-use.aspxA really simple way to handle this would be to have a sub company purchase the equipment and key, build it out, and then sell the equipment for $.01 to the parent company.
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@DustinB3403 said in Paying to upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 10:
@scottalanmiller Yeah I could see how that could become a big issue...
Well hey you guys have been sending me dead RAM with every purchase.....
Just affix the key to the RAM, and throw that into a locker somewhere. Product keys for life.
Yup, for a brief time period, that was what everyone did. Box o' keys on sticks.
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@Carnival-Boy said in Paying to upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 10:
@scottalanmiller said in Paying to upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 10:
That's been lifted or is so weird that it is totally ignored today.
From Microsoft.com:
If you are building a system for your personal use or installing an additional operating system in a virtual machine, you will need to purchase a full version of Windows 10, available in FPP. Windows 10, Windows 8.1, and Windows 7 system builder software does not permit personal use, and is intended only for preinstallation on customer systems that will be sold to end users.*OEM is system builder, isn't it? That seems pretty clear, doesn't it?
https://www.microsoft.com/OEM/en/licensing/sblicensing/Pages/windows-licensing-for-personal-use.aspxThat's why they send you a part with the license. If you are doing ANY changes, like adding memory or a drive, technically you ARE a system builder.
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@DustinB3403 said in Paying to upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 10:
A really simple way to handle this would be to have a sub company purchase the equipment and key, build it out, and then sell the equipment for $.01 to the parent company.
You think that's really simple? We're not Enron.
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Anyway, I'm not going down the OEM route. Firstly, I don't believe it's in the spirit of the licence. And secondly, I get enough hassle during a Microsoft audit as it is without adding any potential complications.
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@Carnival-Boy said in Paying to upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 10:
Anyway, I'm not going down the OEM route. Firstly, I don't believe it's in the spirit of the licence. And secondly, I get enough hassle during a Microsoft audit as it is without adding any potential complications.
It's totally industry standard. I would not question this at all. Even MS doesn't talk about this when you talk to their licensing people. It's just applied to the motherboard, nothing more to it. There is zero hassle in an audit, you just apply the sticker to the case. It's actually the least hassle method.
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It comes with a sticker? During our last audit we had to send copies of HP PC invoices to Microsoft, as I don't think Windows 10 includes a licence key / sticker any more?
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@Carnival-Boy said in Paying to upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 10:
It comes with a sticker? During our last audit we had to send copies of HP PC invoices to Microsoft, as I don't think Windows 10 includes a licence key / sticker any more?
I believe OEM for windows 10 does.... I may be wrong....
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I think I'll go with Open Licence which is a fair bit cheaper than retail, at least. Dearer than OEM but Open licences are by far the easiest to manage during an audit.
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@Carnival-Boy said in Paying to upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 10:
I think I'll go with Open Licence which is a fair bit cheaper than retail, at least. Dearer than OEM but Open licences are by far the easiest to manage during an audit.
They shouldn't be because they are double licenses. You have to track both the underlying OEM as well as the VL upgrade license. So it's a double license tracking. One that is tied to hardware, one that is not.
