XP Mode on Windows 10
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Funnily enough, someone has just started a new thread on this on Spiceworks. Again, it leaves me confused. ML's response seems to be that it is currently impossible to licence an XP VM in any form.
But Chris writes "You would need Windows 10 Enterprise E3 or E5 to be properly licensed"
and "To license the use of a Windows desktop OS instance from a server, you license the accessing device(s) with either a Windows SA license or Windows VDA license. Windows SA is included with the Windows 10 Enterprise E3/E5 licenses through Volume Licensing."
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@Carnival-Boy said in XP Mode on Windows 10:
I know. But you don't get additional rights to install VMs on the client? I'm looking a document like this for clarification:
https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/simonmay/2011/01/13/windows-7-licensing-and-virtual-machines-clarified/Specifically where it says:
*If I install and run four additional copies of the operating system, do I have to use Windows 7 Enterprise as the host operating system?
No. You may use prior versions of WindowsYes. So you are saying buy 10, get VL on 10, find 7 media, install 7 under downgrade rights. Then install XP Mode on 7?
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Something to keep in mind, Windows 7 downgrade rights are gone in under three years. Windows 7 systems installed via 10 will need to be updated at that point. Downgrade rights have a limited time span.
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@Carnival-Boy said in XP Mode on Windows 10:
I know. But you don't get additional rights to install VMs on the client? I'm looking a document like this for clarification:
https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/simonmay/2011/01/13/windows-7-licensing-and-virtual-machines-clarified/Specifically where it says:
*If I install and run four additional copies of the operating system, do I have to use Windows 7 Enterprise as the host operating system?
No. You may use prior versions of WindowsPrior is 7, 8, 8.1 in this case.
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@scottalanmiller said in XP Mode on Windows 10:
Yes. So you are saying buy 10, get VL on 10, find 7 media, install 7 under downgrade rights. Then install XP Mode on 7?
I'd prefer to just install an XP VM under 10, but XP mode under a 7 VM would also work for me. Anything to get a legal copy of XP running, really.
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@Carnival-Boy said in XP Mode on Windows 10:
@scottalanmiller said in XP Mode on Windows 10:
Yes. So you are saying buy 10, get VL on 10, find 7 media, install 7 under downgrade rights. Then install XP Mode on 7?
I'd prefer to just install an XP VM under 10, but XP mode under a 7 VM would also work for me. Anything to get a legal copy of XP running, really.
XP itself has no legal means to install as it itself is off of the market for many years. Downgrade rights won't get it. But downgrade to 7 and then XP Mode in a VM and then VDI on another machine seems like it could work.
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Or old XP retail licenses on eBay of course.
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@scottalanmiller said in XP Mode on Windows 10:
Windows 7 systems installed via 10 will need to be updated at that point. Downgrade rights have a limited time span.
That I didn't know. HP are still selling current computers with Windows 7 pre-installed, which I think is crazy.
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@Carnival-Boy said in XP Mode on Windows 10:
@scottalanmiller said in XP Mode on Windows 10:
Windows 7 systems installed via 10 will need to be updated at that point. Downgrade rights have a limited time span.
That I didn't know. HP are still selling current computers with Windows 7 pre-installed, which I think is crazy.
That is pretty crazy. But so many people ask for it, must be in demand.
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I support a metal fabrication shop. They have machines that run on XP, Windows 2000 that do all sorts of metal work. Punching, bending, welding, etc. They were taking designs from a Workstation in the office then walking them to the metal working machine and using a USB drive to transfer all the different types of designs they would make. It was so old it couldn't work with Window shares on the new computers in the office. I was able to get it to work with a Samba share from a CentOS linux server though. They were very please with that.
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@scottalanmiller said in XP Mode on Windows 10:
@Carnival-Boy said in XP Mode on Windows 10:
@scottalanmiller said in XP Mode on Windows 10:
Windows 7 systems installed via 10 will need to be updated at that point. Downgrade rights have a limited time span.
That I didn't know. HP are still selling current computers with Windows 7 pre-installed, which I think is crazy.
That is pretty crazy. But so many people ask for it, must be in demand.
As crazy as it is, if you have a Windows 7 license, you can downgrade that machine to XP directly as well.
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I'm not sure. Is it a full Win 7 licence? It's listed as "Windows 7 Professional 64 (available through downgrade rights from Windows 10 Pro 64)" To me that implies it isn't a normal Windows 7 licence and therefore doesn't include downgrade rights to XP.
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@Carnival-Boy said in XP Mode on Windows 10:
I'm not sure. Is it a full Win 7 licence? It's listed as "Windows 7 Professional 64 (available through downgrade rights from Windows 10 Pro 64)" To me that implies it isn't a normal Windows 7 licence and therefore doesn't include downgrade rights to XP.
In that case, no, it's a Windows 10 license where Windows 7 has been allowed through downgrade rights (though technically Windows 7 wouldn't qualify under the 2 previous versions rule since 8 and 8.1 are two different OSes), eh, but who's counting? I'm sure MS approved the use of Win 7 in this case.
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@Dashrender said in XP Mode on Windows 10:
@scottalanmiller said in XP Mode on Windows 10:
@Carnival-Boy said in XP Mode on Windows 10:
@scottalanmiller said in XP Mode on Windows 10:
Windows 7 systems installed via 10 will need to be updated at that point. Downgrade rights have a limited time span.
That I didn't know. HP are still selling current computers with Windows 7 pre-installed, which I think is crazy.
That is pretty crazy. But so many people ask for it, must be in demand.
As crazy as it is, if you have a Windows 7 license, you can downgrade that machine to XP directly as well.
But he doesn't have a Windows 7 license, he has a Windows 10 license.
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@Dashrender said in XP Mode on Windows 10:
@Carnival-Boy said in XP Mode on Windows 10:
I'm not sure. Is it a full Win 7 licence? It's listed as "Windows 7 Professional 64 (available through downgrade rights from Windows 10 Pro 64)" To me that implies it isn't a normal Windows 7 licence and therefore doesn't include downgrade rights to XP.
In that case, no, it's a Windows 10 license where Windows 7 has been allowed through downgrade rights (though technically Windows 7 wouldn't qualify under the 2 previous versions rule since 8 and 8.1 are two different OSes), eh, but who's counting? I'm sure MS approved the use of Win 7 in this case.
They have, until Jan, 2020 (which sounds far off, but is less than three years.)
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@PenguinWrangler said in XP Mode on Windows 10:
I support a metal fabrication shop. They have machines that run on XP, Windows 2000 that do all sorts of metal work. Punching, bending, welding, etc. They were taking designs from a Workstation in the office then walking them to the metal working machine and using a USB drive to transfer all the different types of designs they would make. It was so old it couldn't work with Window shares on the new computers in the office. I was able to get it to work with a Samba share from a CentOS linux server though. They were very please with that.
To sort of quote a famous 1980s trade publication: "Linux integrates Windows better than Windows integrates Windows."
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I'm now pretty sure that a Windows 10 Enterprise E3 subscription (aka SA) will allow me to install either Windows 7 or Windows XP as a virtual machine on my Windows 10 desktop without the need to purchase a separate licence for 7 or XP.
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@Carnival-Boy said in XP Mode on Windows 10:
I'm now pretty sure that a Windows 10 Enterprise E3 subscription (aka SA) will allow me to install either Windows 7 or Windows XP as a virtual machine on my Windows 10 desktop without the need to purchase a separate licence for 7 or XP.
What I saw from ZDNet is that only down to Windows 7, and that's timebombed. I've never seen (but that isn't very conclusive) anything that lets you install Vista or older since Windows 10 released.
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@Carnival-Boy said in XP Mode on Windows 10:
I'm now pretty sure that a Windows 10 Enterprise E3 subscription (aka SA) will allow me to install either Windows 7 or Windows XP as a virtual machine on my Windows 10 desktop without the need to purchase a separate licence for 7 or XP.
The above is assuming an OEM copy of 10 already existed, the VL provides the upgrade... and then the SA provides the downgrade.
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Not a definitive source, but this shows when XP was dropped...
