Backing up OneDrive for Business
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So what happened in the Spiceworks thread?
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@Carnival-Boy said in Backing up OneDrive for Business:
So what happened in the Spiceworks thread?
People on SW never give the whole story. He's trying to make it sound scarier than it is. It's scary, don't get me wrong, but it is not the gloom and doom that people like to say. He likely didn't know to check his recycle bins or had emptied them and had nothing to restore from. In a way, those things are HIS backups. MS then backs those up in case the system fails. The system did not fail, so he was supposed to use his recycle bins to restore what the malware had deleted.
The problem is, we get these stories after the fact and no one competent audits them to see if the problem is as described, if obvious avenues have been explored and so forth. It's like people saying that their "SAN has done a great job", but when asked obvious questions about how this is possible, it turns out to have done a terrible job - they were just saying that because they hoped no one would call their bluff given the general assumptions that it is socially unacceptable to assume people are lying and their believe that the obviousness of their bluff wasn't so... obvious.
Is that the case here, we don't know. But that is the assumption.
Does that mean that you should not take a backup of your OD4B? No, not saying that. There is every reason to consider a full backup of it.
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@scottalanmiller said in Backing up OneDrive for Business:
@Carnival-Boy said in Backing up OneDrive for Business:
So what happened in the Spiceworks thread?
People on SW never give the whole story. He's trying to make it sound scarier than it is. It's scary, don't get me wrong, but it is not the gloom and doom that people like to say. He likely didn't know to check his recycle bins or had emptied them and had nothing to restore from. In a way, those things are HIS backups. MS then backs those up in case the system fails. The system did not fail, so he was supposed to use his recycle bins to restore what the malware had deleted.
The problem is, we get these stories after the fact and no one competent audits them to see if the problem is as described, if obvious avenues have been explored and so forth. It's like people saying that their "SAN has done a great job", but when asked obvious questions about how this is possible, it turns out to have done a terrible job - they were just saying that because they hoped no one would call their bluff given the general assumptions that it is socially unacceptable to assume people are lying and their believe that the obviousness of their bluff wasn't so... obvious.
Is that the case here, we don't know. But that is the assumption.
Does that mean that you should not take a backup of your OD4B? No, not saying that. There is every reason to consider a full backup of it.
As mentioned in another (offline?) discussion... How little mission critical data is too little to back up? [or something to that effect]
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Does anyone on ML use OD4B? And if so, what do you use to back it up? Or if you don't back it up, what is your disaster recovery policy?
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No-one?
I read an article by the official O365 security team titled "How To Deal With Ransomware":
https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/office365security/how-to-deal-with-ransomware/In that they say "OneDrive for Business can be used as a protection mechanism against ransomware."
Sounds perfect. Under the section "Recover your files in your OneDrive for Business" it says "If a large number of files were impacted, using the user interface in the portal will not be a viable option. In this case, create a support request for a ‘Site Collection Restore’. "
But Site Restore is Sharepoint Online. That's not the same as OneDrive is it?
I'm so confused. This is what puts me off O365 - nothing appears as simple as on-premise solutions.
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There are some third party solutions for this.
Frankly, I'm surprised there aren't more, and that MS itself doens't offer such a thing.
Some, like @scottalanmiller, will say to only use ODfB in aware applications, so then you do not have to worry about ransomware.
Everything is a tradeoff...
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Maybe the answer is to save everything to a Sharepoint Site, including personal documents, and not use OD4B at all. Create "personal" Team Sites for each user.
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@Carnival-Boy said in Backing up OneDrive for Business:
Maybe the answer is to save everything to a Sharepoint Site, including personal documents, and not use OD4B at all. Create "personal" Team Sites for each user.
There's less space and will restrictions in share point as compared to one drive for business
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I was in on for Miss solution simple it all has to be backed up everything after he backed up everywhere it does not matter whether posted. One drive for business and share point or sink tools not back up tools using them as back up recovery is not how they're supposed to be used yes it can be made to work but it is not the design
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@JaredBusch said in Backing up OneDrive for Business:
I was in on for Miss solution simple it all has to be backed up everything after he backed up everywhere it does not matter whether posted.
Er...say what?
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I missed this thread. There are backup options for OneDrive for Business. Unlimited data, retention forever.
£4 per user per month.
You can also have backup options for office 365 emails, separate to the MS toolbox again, unlimited data/retention.
If an end user deletes an email, then deletes it from deleted items, then deletes it from the restore from deleted items window. That email is gone forever. Microsoft will not restore it unless you have pre-setup Office 365 for retention of all emails with legal hold and other features.
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@Carnival-Boy said in Backing up OneDrive for Business:
@JaredBusch said in Backing up OneDrive for Business:
I was in on for Miss solution simple it all has to be backed up everything after he backed up everywhere it does not matter whether posted.
Er...say what?
You can thank Siri for that.
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@Breffni-Potter said in Backing up OneDrive for Business:
I missed this thread. There are backup options for OneDrive for Business. Unlimited data, retention forever.
£4 per user per month.
Link, please?
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https://www.skykick.com/backup/sharepoint-onedrive-backups
Sky Kick provide the tool to Microsoft partners exclusively and then the partners combine Skykick with their existing solutions. The price varies by partner by region by solution by blah.
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@Breffni-Potter said in Backing up OneDrive for Business:
Sky Kick provide the tool to Microsoft partners exclusively
Not interested. I like to buy direct. I just don't know why Microsoft don't offer a backup service.
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@Carnival-Boy said in Backing up OneDrive for Business:
@Breffni-Potter said in Backing up OneDrive for Business:
Sky Kick provide the tool to Microsoft partners exclusively
Not interested. I like to buy direct. I just don't know why Microsoft don't offer a backup service.
Partners are direct. Resellers are not direct.
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@Carnival-Boy said in Backing up OneDrive for Business:
I just don't know why Microsoft don't offer a backup service.
Because Microsoft's official stance is that you are encouraged to work with partners, probably, as it is for everything else. If you are embracing the Microsoft ecosystem, you get the most benefit by following their recommendations.
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Or do you mean you only want SkyKick Direct? I have no idea how they deal with their own partners.
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SkyKick direct does not exist. There are like half a dozen Office 365 backup providers out there who sell directly though.
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Man, SkyKick's site has NO information. Do you buy direct or from a reseller? Sign up to be a customer and it sends you to a partner form. The site makes no sense given that there is no product to buy. Sorry, looks sketchy from here. A customer perspective is that this doesn't seem like a real product.
