DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright

DustinB3403

@dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Straming Services, and Copyright:

@dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

How do you not see the ISPs as just as complicit in this issue?

The same reason that I can't call the road an accomplice to the get-away driver.

It's there, it isn't assisting in some active way. It was built for the purposes of getting things from Point A to Point B. It wasn't build to assist in theft.

Well, frankly, neither was DragonBox - it's just a media streaming device. It's really no different than the Amazon Fire TVs or Rokus.

Sure it has software that can tap into those other streams, but isn't required to do those things (I'm guessing).

All of their marketing specifically says it's meant for those "other things"

Dashrender

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@scottalanmiller said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Straming Services, and Copyright:

@dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

How do you not see the ISPs as just as complicit in this issue?

The same reason that I can't call the road an accomplice to the get-away driver.

It's there, it isn't assisting in some active way. It was built for the purposes of getting things from Point A to Point B. It wasn't build to assist in theft.

But you can if you call the DragonBox an accomplice. The road is actively paving the way to escape (pun intended) just like DragonBox paves the way for both good, and bad, things.

No the road is the ISP, literally has no means of stopping a car from driving down it. The police would have to stop that vehicle from traveling.

really, the ISP has no ability to stop packets from traveling to the internet? Let's think about that one again.

JaredBusch

@dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@scottalanmiller said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Straming Services, and Copyright:

@dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

How do you not see the ISPs as just as complicit in this issue?

The same reason that I can't call the road an accomplice to the get-away driver.

It's there, it isn't assisting in some active way. It was built for the purposes of getting things from Point A to Point B. It wasn't build to assist in theft.

But you can if you call the DragonBox an accomplice. The road is actively paving the way to escape (pun intended) just like DragonBox paves the way for both good, and bad, things.

No the road is the ISP, literally has no means of stopping a car from driving down it. The police would have to stop that vehicle from traveling.

really, the ISP has no ability to stop packets from traveling to the internet? Let's think about that one again.

Yeah, they totally have the ability. just not the authority.

Dashrender

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@scottalanmiller said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

Can a road be used for good? Yes
Can a road be used for crime? Yes

Can DragonBox be used legally? Yes
Can DragonBox be used illegally? Yes

Change out road with car. Same result.

It's the person committing the crime, not the object.

Let's take your example 1 step further.

Can a gun be used for good? Yes
Can a gun be used for bad? Yes

Can a gun kill a person? No
Can a person wielding a gun kill a person? Yes

If you make a gun easier to wield, then it's easier for people to be killed.

yet guns aren't illegal.

DustinB3403

@dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@scottalanmiller said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Straming Services, and Copyright:

@dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

How do you not see the ISPs as just as complicit in this issue?

The same reason that I can't call the road an accomplice to the get-away driver.

It's there, it isn't assisting in some active way. It was built for the purposes of getting things from Point A to Point B. It wasn't build to assist in theft.

But you can if you call the DragonBox an accomplice. The road is actively paving the way to escape (pun intended) just like DragonBox paves the way for both good, and bad, things.

No the road is the ISP, literally has no means of stopping a car from driving down it. The police would have to stop that vehicle from traveling.

really, the ISP has no ability to stop packets from traveling to the internet? Let's think about that one again.

In an open internet, yes the ISP has no control. The police would have to stop the cars (aka you're wrong here).

Dashrender

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@scottalanmiller said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Straming Services, and Copyright:

@dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

How do you not see the ISPs as just as complicit in this issue?

The same reason that I can't call the road an accomplice to the get-away driver.

It's there, it isn't assisting in some active way. It was built for the purposes of getting things from Point A to Point B. It wasn't build to assist in theft.

But you can if you call the DragonBox an accomplice. The road is actively paving the way to escape (pun intended) just like DragonBox paves the way for both good, and bad, things.

No the road is the ISP, literally has no means of stopping a car from driving down it. The police would have to stop that vehicle from traveling.

really, the ISP has no ability to stop packets from traveling to the internet? Let's think about that one again.

In an open internet, yes the ISP has no control. The police would have to stop the cars (aka you're wrong here).

well, we just found out we don't have an open internet, Net Neutrality was just killed.

DustinB3403

@dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@scottalanmiller said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

Can a road be used for good? Yes
Can a road be used for crime? Yes

Can DragonBox be used legally? Yes
Can DragonBox be used illegally? Yes

Change out road with car. Same result.

It's the person committing the crime, not the object.

Let's take your example 1 step further.

Can a gun be used for good? Yes
Can a gun be used for bad? Yes

Can a gun kill a person? No
Can a person wielding a gun kill a person? Yes

If you make a gun easier to wield, then it's easier for people to be killed.

yet guns aren't illegal.

But selling stolen weapons is illegal!

JaredBusch

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@scottalanmiller said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

Can a road be used for good? Yes
Can a road be used for crime? Yes

Can DragonBox be used legally? Yes
Can DragonBox be used illegally? Yes

Change out road with car. Same result.

It's the person committing the crime, not the object.

Let's take your example 1 step further.

Can a gun be used for good? Yes
Can a gun be used for bad? Yes

Can a gun kill a person? No
Can a person wielding a gun kill a person? Yes

If you make a gun easier to wield, then it's easier for people to be killed.

They have auto aim guns now, that shoot at the right time once you pull the trigger..
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/01/17000-linux-powered-rifle-brings-auto-aim-to-the-real-world/

JaredBusch

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@scottalanmiller said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

Can a road be used for good? Yes
Can a road be used for crime? Yes

Can DragonBox be used legally? Yes
Can DragonBox be used illegally? Yes

Change out road with car. Same result.

It's the person committing the crime, not the object.

Let's take your example 1 step further.

Can a gun be used for good? Yes
Can a gun be used for bad? Yes

Can a gun kill a person? No
Can a person wielding a gun kill a person? Yes

If you make a gun easier to wield, then it's easier for people to be killed.

yet guns aren't illegal.

But selling stolen weapons is illegal!

Not relevant. You are conflating shit worse than @Dashrender usually does.

Dashrender

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@scottalanmiller said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

Can a road be used for good? Yes
Can a road be used for crime? Yes

Can DragonBox be used legally? Yes
Can DragonBox be used illegally? Yes

Change out road with car. Same result.

It's the person committing the crime, not the object.

Let's take your example 1 step further.

Can a gun be used for good? Yes
Can a gun be used for bad? Yes

Can a gun kill a person? No
Can a person wielding a gun kill a person? Yes

If you make a gun easier to wield, then it's easier for people to be killed.

yet guns aren't illegal.

But selling stolen weapons is illegal!

NOT the same thing at all.

Nothing inside the DragonBox is illegal. Not one thing (that we know of).

Dashrender

@jaredbusch said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@scottalanmiller said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

Can a road be used for good? Yes
Can a road be used for crime? Yes

Can DragonBox be used legally? Yes
Can DragonBox be used illegally? Yes

Change out road with car. Same result.

It's the person committing the crime, not the object.

Let's take your example 1 step further.

Can a gun be used for good? Yes
Can a gun be used for bad? Yes

Can a gun kill a person? No
Can a person wielding a gun kill a person? Yes

If you make a gun easier to wield, then it's easier for people to be killed.

yet guns aren't illegal.

But selling stolen weapons is illegal!

Not relevant. You are conflating shit worse that @Dashrender usually does.

awww.. JB likes me again.

RojoLoco

@dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@scottalanmiller said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

Can a road be used for good? Yes
Can a road be used for crime? Yes

Can DragonBox be used legally? Yes
Can DragonBox be used illegally? Yes

Change out road with car. Same result.

It's the person committing the crime, not the object.

Let's take your example 1 step further.

Can a gun be used for good? Yes
Can a gun be used for bad? Yes

Can a gun kill a person? No
Can a person wielding a gun kill a person? Yes

If you make a gun easier to wield, then it's easier for people to be killed.

yet guns aren't illegal.

But selling stolen weapons is illegal!

NOT the same thing at all.

Nothing inside the DragonBox is illegal. Not one thing (that we know of).

That box might be full of heroin, you don't know!

Dashrender

@rojoloco said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@scottalanmiller said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

Can a road be used for good? Yes
Can a road be used for crime? Yes

Can DragonBox be used legally? Yes
Can DragonBox be used illegally? Yes

Change out road with car. Same result.

It's the person committing the crime, not the object.

Let's take your example 1 step further.

Can a gun be used for good? Yes
Can a gun be used for bad? Yes

Can a gun kill a person? No
Can a person wielding a gun kill a person? Yes

If you make a gun easier to wield, then it's easier for people to be killed.

yet guns aren't illegal.

But selling stolen weapons is illegal!

NOT the same thing at all.

Nothing inside the DragonBox is illegal. Not one thing (that we know of).

That box might be full of heroin, you don't know!

LOL - that would be one hell of a deal if it's full of herion.. lol

DustinB3403

@jaredbusch said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@scottalanmiller said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

Can a road be used for good? Yes
Can a road be used for crime? Yes

Can DragonBox be used legally? Yes
Can DragonBox be used illegally? Yes

Change out road with car. Same result.

It's the person committing the crime, not the object.

Let's take your example 1 step further.

Can a gun be used for good? Yes
Can a gun be used for bad? Yes

Can a gun kill a person? No
Can a person wielding a gun kill a person? Yes

If you make a gun easier to wield, then it's easier for people to be killed.

yet guns aren't illegal.

But selling stolen weapons is illegal!

Not relevant. You are conflating shit worse than @Dashrender usually does.

Okay, here.

Stealing guns and selling them is illegal. Providing a channel on which to sell illegal weapons (stolen weapons) is also illegal.

ffs

DustinB3403

@dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@rojoloco said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@scottalanmiller said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

Can a road be used for good? Yes
Can a road be used for crime? Yes

Can DragonBox be used legally? Yes
Can DragonBox be used illegally? Yes

Change out road with car. Same result.

It's the person committing the crime, not the object.

Let's take your example 1 step further.

Can a gun be used for good? Yes
Can a gun be used for bad? Yes

Can a gun kill a person? No
Can a person wielding a gun kill a person? Yes

If you make a gun easier to wield, then it's easier for people to be killed.

yet guns aren't illegal.

But selling stolen weapons is illegal!

NOT the same thing at all.

Nothing inside the DragonBox is illegal. Not one thing (that we know of).

That box might be full of heroin, you don't know!

LOL - that would be one hell of a deal if it's full of herion.. lol

Herion is cheap, so not really a deal. Now if it was a few pounds of pure uncut cocaine. . .

Obsolesce

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@scottalanmiller said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

Can a road be used for good? Yes
Can a road be used for crime? Yes

Can DragonBox be used legally? Yes
Can DragonBox be used illegally? Yes

Change out road with car. Same result.

It's the person committing the crime, not the object.

Let's take your example 1 step further.

Can a gun be used for good? Yes
Can a gun be used for bad? Yes

Can a gun kill a person? No
Can a person wielding a gun kill a person? Yes

If you make a gun easier to wield, then it's easier for people to be killed.

yet guns aren't illegal.

But selling stolen weapons is illegal!

Dragonbox isn't selling stolen content. Irrelevant.

DustinB3403

@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@scottalanmiller said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

Can a road be used for good? Yes
Can a road be used for crime? Yes

Can DragonBox be used legally? Yes
Can DragonBox be used illegally? Yes

Change out road with car. Same result.

It's the person committing the crime, not the object.

Let's take your example 1 step further.

Can a gun be used for good? Yes
Can a gun be used for bad? Yes

Can a gun kill a person? No
Can a person wielding a gun kill a person? Yes

If you make a gun easier to wield, then it's easier for people to be killed.

yet guns aren't illegal.

But selling stolen weapons is illegal!

Dragonbox isn't selling stolen content. Irrelevant.

You're right, its selling easy access to stolen content.

Obsolesce

@rojoloco said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@scottalanmiller said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

Can a road be used for good? Yes
Can a road be used for crime? Yes

Can DragonBox be used legally? Yes
Can DragonBox be used illegally? Yes

Change out road with car. Same result.

It's the person committing the crime, not the object.

Let's take your example 1 step further.

Can a gun be used for good? Yes
Can a gun be used for bad? Yes

Can a gun kill a person? No
Can a person wielding a gun kill a person? Yes

If you make a gun easier to wield, then it's easier for people to be killed.

yet guns aren't illegal.

But selling stolen weapons is illegal!

NOT the same thing at all.

Nothing inside the DragonBox is illegal. Not one thing (that we know of).

That box might be full of heroin, you don't know!

Maybe in your house!

Obsolesce

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@scottalanmiller said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

Can a road be used for good? Yes
Can a road be used for crime? Yes

Can DragonBox be used legally? Yes
Can DragonBox be used illegally? Yes

Change out road with car. Same result.

It's the person committing the crime, not the object.

Let's take your example 1 step further.

Can a gun be used for good? Yes
Can a gun be used for bad? Yes

Can a gun kill a person? No
Can a person wielding a gun kill a person? Yes

If you make a gun easier to wield, then it's easier for people to be killed.

yet guns aren't illegal.

But selling stolen weapons is illegal!

Dragonbox isn't selling stolen content. Irrelevant.

You're right, its selling easy access to stolen content.

No, it's no more easy access than Windows or Ubuntu provides, or uTorrent or whatever.

But easy access isn't stealing.

Obsolesce

Gun shops are legal, easy-access to guns.