Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish
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@Emad-R said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:
Cause windows is better at managing Linux at a scale. you have many softwares for that
WinSCP
mRemoteNGLinux has all this kind of stuff, too. And both have it built in. You don't need third party software from Windows or Linux to do SSH remotely. And all of it is bidirectional. SSH works the same from and to either platform.
Why dont you use Windows' own tools? I have to use Windows to work on Linux every day, and I never see a need for extra tools. The built in ones work really well.
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@Emad-R said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:
why do we do this again ?
We do it because it's the easiest, most reliable, least problematic, most stable, broadest support, least effort, least hacking and manual config option available. Every reason you say not to use it, is exactly why. Because everything you are finding hard we consistently find to be zero effort. Absolutely all the hardware that we'd want to use in the real world "just works", even when on Windows it does not. It allows us to work easily on old hardware that Windows can't handle. On hardware types that Windows won't consider. Because it lowers our cost.
Business owners understand that it's the TCO and as a business owner, Linux makes my team more efficient to get work done, while lowering their cost to support. It's that simple.
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From a Linux Desktop, you can browse multiple protocols without additional applications. I personally use FileZilla Client but I've also use WinSCP too.
From a Nautilus File Manager:
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@Emad-R said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:
@scottalanmiller said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:
mRemoteNG
Cause windows is better at managing Linux at a scale. you have many softwares for that
WinSCP
mRemoteNGLinux is just server, and it uses SSH as single port of administrator, so my point is with Windows you get the best of everything. and once your inside Linux server your in, it doesnt matter from where you SShed from.
My point is the best linux admin tool is windows
You're just trolling at this point. You've either literally never used a Linux based OS or you are making false claims on purpose. Because saying things like WinSCP is good for managing Linux at scale clearly shows you have no clue what's going on. Maybe "at scale" to you is like 6 machines?
Btw you still haven't responded to any posts that have real world examples.
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@stacksofplates said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:
Btw you still haven't responded to any posts that have real world examples.
Classic troll behavior.
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@Emad-R said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:
@scottalanmiller said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:
@Emad-R said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:
I know this will get alot of hate, but it just takes alot of effort and patience to make linux work with peripherals and once you do keeping your system up to date is difficult it might botch your manual configs..
Actually I find the opposite. We have continuous issues with Windows (but less than in the past for sure) and essentially zero with Linux. In fact, when printing to our Brother printers here in the office, anyone with Windows has to get someone with Ubuntu to print for them! On Ubuntu it works with zero config, on Windows, it always breaks.
Good luck finding printer driver and PPD file and all the manual config to get quality prints, sure Linux may print, but my exp was bad margins. man its so left out google dont provide downloads for it gdrive client. everything is hack or workaround . why do we do this again ?
You do know that most large scale print shops and printers have a Linux print server/controller built into them right?
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@black3dynamite said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:
From a Linux Desktop, you can browse multiple protocols without additional applications. I personally use FileZilla Client but I've also use WinSCP too.
From a Nautilus File Manager:
I don't consider this quite a fair comparison. Linux distros are mostly made by and for techies. There need/desire for these tools to be included seems obvious. Windows on the other hand is meant for the masses, and those tools would be unused by 95% or more.
So sure - it's cool they are there, but that's about all. -
@Dashrender said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:
@black3dynamite said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:
From a Linux Desktop, you can browse multiple protocols without additional applications. I personally use FileZilla Client but I've also use WinSCP too.
From a Nautilus File Manager:
I don't consider this quite a fair comparison. Linux distros are mostly made by and for techies. There need/desire for these tools to be included seems obvious. Windows on the other hand is meant for the masses, and those tools would be unused by 95% or more.
So sure - it's cool they are there, but that's about all.I'd argue it's mostly because windows doesn't natively support other protocols. You can browse SMB shares from explorer because it's natively supported. I'd be willing to bet if windows supported NFS or SSHFS or SFTP or any other protocols you would be able to do it in explorer.
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@black3dynamite said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:
@scottalanmiller said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:
IT people love Windows, because Windows screws end users and creates loads and loads of otherwise unnecessary IT jobs.
Before I go to bed, I always give thanks to Windows for providing me some job security.
:folded_hands_dark_skin_tone:Hear hear!
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@jmoore said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:
@black3dynamite said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:
@scottalanmiller said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:
IT people love Windows, because Windows screws end users and creates loads and loads of otherwise unnecessary IT jobs.
Before I go to bed, I always give thanks to Windows for providing me some job security.
:folded_hands_dark_skin_tone:Hear hear!
Praise be!
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@Dashrender said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:
I don't consider this quite a fair comparison. Linux distros are mostly made by and for techies.
This is 100% untrue. It's the opposite. Windows and macOS are power user systems, made for power users with expectations of people memorizing tools, shortcuts, tweaks, etc. You need more training, more technical knowledge, to know what is going on. Finding apps is harder, search isn't consistent or obvious, necessary things are hidden.
The popular Linux desktops, like Ubuntu, Elementary, Zorin, Pop_OS!, Fedora, Solus, ChromeOS, etc. are exactly the opposite - made for normals to just use. No "secret search functionality", no "go to third parties to find the basic tools", no "get your IT department to pay for stuff to manage your updates", etc. It's all included, it's all automated, it's all obvious.
Windows is for techies, Linux desktops are for people to just use. Just spend a few minutes with both, it's really obvious how much more Ubuntu, for example, is meant for every day users and Windows requires special knowledge or skills. Not crazy skills, but you can't just start using it and get apps or avoid malware or even determine what is installed and what is an ad!
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@Dashrender said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:
Windows on the other hand is meant for the masses, and those tools would be unused by 95% or more.
Have you ever used Windows? Every day we make our money helping people use Windows because it isn't simple or obvious. Everything about it is hard, unnecessarily hard. You just forget because you have memorized how to do things.
The masses are exactly who Windows isn't for at all. ChromeOS, that's for the masses.
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@Dashrender said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:
I don't consider this quite a fair comparison. Linux distros are mostly made by and for techies. There need/desire for these tools to be included seems obvious. Windows on the other hand is meant for the masses, and those tools would be unused by 95% or more.
So sure - it's cool they are there, but that's about all.Masses of whom? Windows was built for the rich to be able to spend their money on it, and to pay to get support for it. I wholeheartedly disagree with your stance here.
This connectivity makes life easier without having to do a damn thing from the user side of things besides their job.
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@scottalanmiller said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:
@Dashrender said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:
Windows on the other hand is meant for the masses, and those tools would be unused by 95% or more.
Have you ever used Windows? Every day we make our money helping people use Windows because it isn't simple or obvious. Everything about it is hard, unnecessarily hard. You just forget because you have memorized how to do things.
The masses are exactly who Windows isn't for at all. ChromeOS, that's for the masses.
OH no - I completely agree with you Scott - It is hard, way harder than it needs to be.
don't take my comment as a bash on Linux distros... only on the specific comment that I was replying to, and why the lack of the mentioned tools don't matter. -
@Dashrender said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:
@scottalanmiller said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:
@Dashrender said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:
Windows on the other hand is meant for the masses, and those tools would be unused by 95% or more.
Have you ever used Windows? Every day we make our money helping people use Windows because it isn't simple or obvious. Everything about it is hard, unnecessarily hard. You just forget because you have memorized how to do things.
The masses are exactly who Windows isn't for at all. ChromeOS, that's for the masses.
OH no - I completely agree with you Scott - It is hard, way harder than it needs to be.
don't take my comment as a bash on Linux distros... only on the specific comment that I was replying to, and why the lack of the mentioned tools don't matter.Oh I see, as to why things like NFS isn't baked in to a default install (but is available, MS has always provided that as an extra install option.)
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@Dashrender said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:
@scottalanmiller said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:
@Dashrender said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:
Windows on the other hand is meant for the masses, and those tools would be unused by 95% or more.
Have you ever used Windows? Every day we make our money helping people use Windows because it isn't simple or obvious. Everything about it is hard, unnecessarily hard. You just forget because you have memorized how to do things.
The masses are exactly who Windows isn't for at all. ChromeOS, that's for the masses.
OH no - I completely agree with you Scott - It is hard, way harder than it needs to be.
don't take my comment as a bash on Linux distros... only on the specific comment that I was replying to, and why the lack of the mentioned tools don't matter.So you're saying a system shouldn't have functionality because said functionality isn't heavily used? How many people using Windows 10 Pro are using the any of the bloatware that we are regularly using unfuckafy scripts to clean up windows?
A connectivity solution should be included hands down, supporting SMB, FTP, SFTP, Samba etc out of the gate and by default is a life saver, compared to having to get some third party to manage that tiny yet important functionality.
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@DustinB3403 said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:
@Dashrender said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:
@scottalanmiller said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:
@Dashrender said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:
Windows on the other hand is meant for the masses, and those tools would be unused by 95% or more.
Have you ever used Windows? Every day we make our money helping people use Windows because it isn't simple or obvious. Everything about it is hard, unnecessarily hard. You just forget because you have memorized how to do things.
The masses are exactly who Windows isn't for at all. ChromeOS, that's for the masses.
OH no - I completely agree with you Scott - It is hard, way harder than it needs to be.
don't take my comment as a bash on Linux distros... only on the specific comment that I was replying to, and why the lack of the mentioned tools don't matter.So you're saying a system shouldn't have functionality because said functionality isn't heavily used? How many people using Windows 10 Pro are using the any of the bloatware that we are regularly using unfuckafy scripts to clean up windows?
yeah pretty much!
As for the bloatware - come on - I didn't create the program, but I'm sure you know why that shit is there. If there is any Admin type bloatware included, please feel free to inform me of such.
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@Dashrender said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:
@DustinB3403 said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:
@Dashrender said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:
@scottalanmiller said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:
@Dashrender said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:
Windows on the other hand is meant for the masses, and those tools would be unused by 95% or more.
Have you ever used Windows? Every day we make our money helping people use Windows because it isn't simple or obvious. Everything about it is hard, unnecessarily hard. You just forget because you have memorized how to do things.
The masses are exactly who Windows isn't for at all. ChromeOS, that's for the masses.
OH no - I completely agree with you Scott - It is hard, way harder than it needs to be.
don't take my comment as a bash on Linux distros... only on the specific comment that I was replying to, and why the lack of the mentioned tools don't matter.So you're saying a system shouldn't have functionality because said functionality isn't heavily used? How many people using Windows 10 Pro are using the any of the bloatware that we are regularly using unfuckafy scripts to clean up windows?
yeah pretty much!
As for the bloatware - come on - I didn't create the program, but I'm sure you know why that shit is there. If there is any Admin type bloatware included, please feel free to inform me of such.
Administrative software and bloatware are not the same thing. XBox on Windows 10 Pro or enterprise makes 0 sense. I can't off hand think of anything that would be administrative and bloatware-esk, I'm sure there is something somewhere but that wasn't the point I was making.
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@DustinB3403 said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:
@Dashrender said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:
@DustinB3403 said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:
@Dashrender said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:
@scottalanmiller said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:
@Dashrender said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:
Windows on the other hand is meant for the masses, and those tools would be unused by 95% or more.
Have you ever used Windows? Every day we make our money helping people use Windows because it isn't simple or obvious. Everything about it is hard, unnecessarily hard. You just forget because you have memorized how to do things.
The masses are exactly who Windows isn't for at all. ChromeOS, that's for the masses.
OH no - I completely agree with you Scott - It is hard, way harder than it needs to be.
don't take my comment as a bash on Linux distros... only on the specific comment that I was replying to, and why the lack of the mentioned tools don't matter.So you're saying a system shouldn't have functionality because said functionality isn't heavily used? How many people using Windows 10 Pro are using the any of the bloatware that we are regularly using unfuckafy scripts to clean up windows?
yeah pretty much!
As for the bloatware - come on - I didn't create the program, but I'm sure you know why that shit is there. If there is any Admin type bloatware included, please feel free to inform me of such.
Administrative software and bloatware are not the same thing. XBox on Windows 10 Pro or enterprise makes 0 sense. I can't off hand think of anything that would be administrative and bloatware-esk, I'm sure there is something somewhere but that wasn't the point I was making.
You make it sound like I was defending something - pretty sure I wasn't - at least I am pretty sure I wasn't defending MS putting junkware on Windows 10... I was only talking about that post where the guy was happy to have tools native in a distro that windows does have... nothing more.
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@stacksofplates said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:
@Dashrender said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:
@black3dynamite said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:
From a Linux Desktop, you can browse multiple protocols without additional applications. I personally use FileZilla Client but I've also use WinSCP too.
From a Nautilus File Manager:
I don't consider this quite a fair comparison. Linux distros are mostly made by and for techies. There need/desire for these tools to be included seems obvious. Windows on the other hand is meant for the masses, and those tools would be unused by 95% or more.
So sure - it's cool they are there, but that's about all.I'd argue it's mostly because windows doesn't natively support other protocols. You can browse SMB shares from explorer because it's natively supported. I'd be willing to bet if windows supported NFS or SSHFS or SFTP or any other protocols you would be able to do it in explorer.
Windows server supports NFS shares... I honestly haven't looked into using explorer to browse NFS but this is adding some weak-sauce to the argument....
This post stopped being constructive a while back so I don't feel too bad for adding fuel to the fire.I'll hitch my wagon to the "Linux is better" camp because the only time that I've seen any advantage to windows is if you've got to administer an MS environment (much of my day job), have to use windows only software (such as our ERP's client software), or are otherwise stuck in a MS ecosystem (users / processes heavily entrenched in the world of windows-only software and systems).
