Reconsidering ProxMox
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Well since I use this forum a lot and I don't want to be seen as 'weird' I'll try to explain where I was coming from.
Yes I've been using vanilla KVM for a few years and I've always used qcow2. There was some talk about qcow2 earlier in the conversation with stacksofplates being quite positive about their advantages and then SAM saying that he uses qcow2 on lvm-thin mostly and it was the default for Proxmox.
So I thought - those guys generally know what they are talking about, let me see if I can make a qcow2 on lvm-thin.
But proxmox wouldn't let me until I created some directory storage on the thinpool.
Ok great that works - but that seems a little strange - let me ask the guys and gals on the forum what they think.
And here we are.As regards moving to an appliance - I'm comfortable with KVM but I run our VM infrastructure mostly on my own. On occasions where I'm on holiday or otherwise unavailable, it would be helpful if at least a couple of others could administer the system (particularly backups).
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@Doyler3000 said in Reconsidering ProxMox:
Well since I use this forum a lot and I don't want to be seen as 'weird' I'll try to explain where I was coming from.
Not that you seem weird, just this one thing is what we call "being weird", or at least feels like it.
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@Doyler3000 said in Reconsidering ProxMox:
and then SAM saying that he uses qcow2 on lvm-thin mostly and it was the default for Proxmox.
I said that? I must have mispoke.
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@Doyler3000 said in Reconsidering ProxMox:
As regards moving to an appliance - I'm comfortable with KVM but I run our VM infrastructure mostly on my own. On occasions where I'm on holiday or otherwise unavailable, it would be helpful if at least a couple of others could administer the system (particularly backups).
Totally makes sense. I'm the same. We have a much larger pool of people for ProxMox support than we do for non-ProxMox KVM support. It's nice to let the bigger pool handle general tasks. And the web interface is really nice.
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So, looking at Proxmox for a new deployment. I'll be dropping it on a spare laptop tomorrow to kick the tires.
Looking at Proxmox over KVM simply for the GUI backup features.
Anyone have any comments since they have fully released the backup stuff?
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I have not tried the new Backup Server yet.
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A comment about the default install. With 6.3 on a system with a single disk, it used ext4 by default.
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and logging in, it looks like LVM-thin is right there.
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Uploading an ISO was simplicity. Not sure how/why the entire dicsussion above happened about using a USB....
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@JaredBusch Oh, I assume because of this option?
Fuck that. No one does that anywhere. The feature exists in every Hypervisor. But seriously, no one uses it.
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So what is the confusion about storage. It is not like you have an option when making a VM.
These were the defaults I saw.
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Not sure why LSI is "default, but VirtIO was selected? I left it alone.
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Going to have to RTFM soon, but WTF with a firewall enabled?
I do not want my hypervisor doing jack shit to my instances.
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Wonder what they could do about Firefox thinking it is a pop up.
When Vultr pops the console, Firefox does not bitch like this.
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I mainly used the built-in backup in PVE excluding a couple of VMs that is being backed up via Proxmox Backup Server.
For backups in PVE, I use the ZSTD for compression and Snapshots mode instead of supsend or stop.For backups in PBS, I have garbage collection schedule set to run once week, prune is scheduled daily and it's set to keep the last 7 snapshots. I haven't tried its sync jobs (I assume its for syncing backups to another backup server. I have read the manual.).
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@JaredBusch said in Reconsidering ProxMox:
Going to have to RTFM soon, but WTF with a firewall enabled?
I do not want my hypervisor doing jack shit to my instances.
Although is selected, it's not active.
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There's a firewall setting at the Datacenter (cluster) level, for each PVE hosts and for each VM/Container.
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@black3dynamite said in Reconsidering ProxMox:
There's a firewall setting at the Datacenter (cluster) level, for each PVE hosts and for each VM/Container.
I get reasons that it could be beneficial. But for the typical SMB, that should never really happen.
I did say I have not RTFM at all yet.
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I haven't played with it for over 5 years. I never got past a brief test, as I relocated to TX for a new position.
It seems others have found it effective however.
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@jclambert said in Reconsidering ProxMox:
I haven't played with it for over 5 years. I never got past a brief test, as I relocated to TX for a new position.
It seems others have found it effective however.
5 years ago I would not ever touch ProxMox. It was a pile of flaming garbage.
