Billboard on the interstate
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@RojoLoco said:
"Religion is like a penis... it's fine to have one, it's ok to be proud of it, but you should NEVER wave it around in public or shove it down anyone's throat."
I think this is a bad analogy, lol. Doesn't mean it ain't true though.
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@s.hackleman said:
@art_of_shred said:
@Dashrender said:
@art_of_shred said:
@brianlittlejohn said:
@dafyre said:
@brianlittlejohn said:
I am religious, and these bill boards bug the hell out of me. They are threatening and accomplish absolutely no purpose.
I am a Christian. I can definitely imagine they bug folks who are athiests or non-Christians as well. But for me, they are reminders of what my purpose is on this earth.
(Aside from exorcising computers).That's great it's reminding you of your purpose, but should that be done by threatening (real or perceived) the people you are trying to reach.
If your family was in a burning building, and you were the only one aware of the fire, what methods of warning them would you consider "too extreme"? Whether or not you agree with these people's views, understand the urgency, whether perceived or real.
Who hold on... you're comparing our lives to a burning building? That seems extreme!
Unless you think you're making it out of here alive, this life will consume you and you will die. If you (as the people who are bringing you these "threatening" messages) believe in such things as heaven and hell, well, not going to hell might be like getting saved from a fire.
So, if my family is in a burning building, I should get a billboard on the interstate and tell them about it? These billboards are a waste of time and an eye sore. I can't imagine anyone reading that and changing anything about themselves.
I think the idea is that every single life is precious. If your message reaches one single person, what is the value of that? If life is priceless, that's a lot of value.
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@art_of_shred said:
@Dashrender said:
@art_of_shred the issue I have with the burning building comparison is the immediate need to make a decision about a situation you know the outcome of if you fail to act.
i.e. you're in a burning building, if you don't get out, you're going to die NOW.
Life it's like that. You have no idea when you're going to die. You could get hit by a buss tomorrow, or you could live issue free for the next 60 years.. you just don't know.
Agreed, but the pivotal point is that it could be immediate, and once you're there, your options have ceased. The fact that you could choke on the next sip of water you take and die, means that if death came suddenly, you don't have time to re-think your position. Once you're gone, you can't call a Mulligan.
Chances are I will choke on the next sip of water... and the one after that.... and....
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dammit, literally choked on coffee while writing that. I kid you not.
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@art_of_shred said:
I think the idea is that every single life is precious. If your message reaches one single person, what is the value of that? If life is priceless, that's a lot of value.
If it reaches one, minus how many it turns away. Just like we said in the other thread about Portal, ads can have negative consequences. You have to weigh the good and the bad, not ignore the bad and only look at the positive portions.
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@scottalanmiller said:
dammit, literally choked on coffee while writing that. I kid you not.
I think Darwin is winning....
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@scottalanmiller said:
dammit, literally choked on coffee while writing that. I kid you not.
If you don't make it can you update this post and let us know who is up there so we can settle this needless debate down here.
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@scottalanmiller said:
dammit, literally choked on coffee while writing that. I kid you not.
...and so you understand the precarious nature of life and death...
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I suppose considering @art_of_shred point of view, these billboards are like the government providing social security - well maybe not exactly, but close.
Someone has some money and decide to spend it to try to remind people... today could be your last day on earth.. did you spend it wisely? did you prepare a disaster plan to take care of your family, etc?
To that end, OK fine - but I find the use of religion offensive to this end. The message itself has nothing to do with religion and more to do with personal morals.
The idea of preparing for death financially is also a first world problem.
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@Dashrender said:
The idea of preparing for death financially is also a first world problem.
I don't know if that is true. Taking care of your kids after you pass is a bigger deal in the third world. If I die with no savings, no anything, my kids will be fine. But a poor Central American farmer's kids might starve or languish in an orphanage and get no education.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@art_of_shred said:
I think the idea is that every single life is precious. If your message reaches one single person, what is the value of that? If life is priceless, that's a lot of value.
If it reaches one, minus how many it turns away. Just like we said in the other thread about Portal, ads can have negative consequences. You have to weigh the good and the bad, not ignore the bad and only look at the positive portions.
Please don't take what I say as my personal endorsement of what they are doing. I am a born-again Christian, and abhor street-preachers. I get what they're doing, but I disagree with their premise. Like an obnoxious sign, how many are being turned away? I believe effective communication comes through relationships, not people waving and yelling. I would love nothing more than to see everyone I care about experience what I have, but I can't forcefully convince anyone of anything. That's just not how it works. Also, everyone has their own choices to make and lives to live. I think I have more to offer by respecting that than I do waving it around and shoving it down others' throats.
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@Dashrender said:
To that end, OK fine - but I find the use of religion offensive to this end. The message itself has nothing to do with religion and more to do with personal morals.
Very few atheists in the world. They exist, of course, but the vast majority seem to believe in other religious ideas like the Big Bang or whatever they call their "Creator." I've rarely met someone who used the term atheist and wasn't what I'd call "extremely religious." They just use different terms but the billboard would apply to them as well. It works as well for ISIS as it does for someone reminding you that you will be returned to the atoms and molecules of the universe.
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@art_of_shred said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@art_of_shred said:
I think the idea is that every single life is precious. If your message reaches one single person, what is the value of that? If life is priceless, that's a lot of value.
If it reaches one, minus how many it turns away. Just like we said in the other thread about Portal, ads can have negative consequences. You have to weigh the good and the bad, not ignore the bad and only look at the positive portions.
Please don't take what I say as my personal endorsement of what they are doing. I am a born-again Christian, and abhor street-preachers. I get what they're doing, but I disagree with their premise. Like an obnoxious sign, how many are being turned away? I believe effective communication comes through relationships, not people waving and yelling. I would love nothing more than to see everyone I care about experience what I have, but I can't forcefully convince anyone of anything. That's just not how it works. Also, everyone has their own choices to make and lives to live. I think I have more to offer by respecting that than I do waving it around and shoving it down others' throats.
Well said. That is my whole point, shoving it down someone's throat is the wrong way.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
To that end, OK fine - but I find the use of religion offensive to this end. The message itself has nothing to do with religion and more to do with personal morals.
Very few atheists in the world. They exist, of course, but the vast majority seem to believe in other religious ideas like the Big Bang or whatever they call their "Creator." I've rarely met someone who used the term atheist and wasn't what I'd call "extremely religious." They just use different terms but the billboard would apply to them as well. It works as well for ISIS as it does for someone reminding you that you will be returned to the atoms and molecules of the universe.
Yeah, I'm on board with this - Still unsure of my religiousness, but I'm definitely not into the whole organized religion thing.
I tend more toward the unifying theorem.
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@art_of_shred said:
@s.hackleman said:
@art_of_shred said:
@Dashrender said:
@art_of_shred said:
@brianlittlejohn said:
@dafyre said:
@brianlittlejohn said:
I am religious, and these bill boards bug the hell out of me. They are threatening and accomplish absolutely no purpose.
I am a Christian. I can definitely imagine they bug folks who are athiests or non-Christians as well. But for me, they are reminders of what my purpose is on this earth.
(Aside from exorcising computers).That's great it's reminding you of your purpose, but should that be done by threatening (real or perceived) the people you are trying to reach.
If your family was in a burning building, and you were the only one aware of the fire, what methods of warning them would you consider "too extreme"? Whether or not you agree with these people's views, understand the urgency, whether perceived or real.
Who hold on... you're comparing our lives to a burning building? That seems extreme!
Unless you think you're making it out of here alive, this life will consume you and you will die. If you (as the people who are bringing you these "threatening" messages) believe in such things as heaven and hell, well, not going to hell might be like getting saved from a fire.
So, if my family is in a burning building, I should get a billboard on the interstate and tell them about it? These billboards are a waste of time and an eye sore. I can't imagine anyone reading that and changing anything about themselves.
I think the idea is that every single life is precious. If your message reaches one single person, what is the value of that? If life is priceless, that's a lot of value.
If the the belief is that strong about life being important, Why not take the money that was spent on a eye sore billboard that could reach one person, and feed the hungry in your community for one day, buy kids a few coats, and a couple sleeping bags for a homeless man. Instead of blasting their opinion on deaf ears while people are driving.
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@s.hackleman said:
@art_of_shred said:
@s.hackleman said:
@art_of_shred said:
@Dashrender said:
@art_of_shred said:
@brianlittlejohn said:
@dafyre said:
@brianlittlejohn said:
I am religious, and these bill boards bug the hell out of me. They are threatening and accomplish absolutely no purpose.
I am a Christian. I can definitely imagine they bug folks who are athiests or non-Christians as well. But for me, they are reminders of what my purpose is on this earth.
(Aside from exorcising computers).That's great it's reminding you of your purpose, but should that be done by threatening (real or perceived) the people you are trying to reach.
If your family was in a burning building, and you were the only one aware of the fire, what methods of warning them would you consider "too extreme"? Whether or not you agree with these people's views, understand the urgency, whether perceived or real.
Who hold on... you're comparing our lives to a burning building? That seems extreme!
Unless you think you're making it out of here alive, this life will consume you and you will die. If you (as the people who are bringing you these "threatening" messages) believe in such things as heaven and hell, well, not going to hell might be like getting saved from a fire.
So, if my family is in a burning building, I should get a billboard on the interstate and tell them about it? These billboards are a waste of time and an eye sore. I can't imagine anyone reading that and changing anything about themselves.
I think the idea is that every single life is precious. If your message reaches one single person, what is the value of that? If life is priceless, that's a lot of value.
If the the belief is that strong about life being important, Why not take the money that was spent on a eye sore billboard that could reach one person, and feed the hungry in your community for one day, buy kids a few coats, and a couple sleeping bags for a homeless man. Instead of blasting their opinion on deaf ears while people are driving.
This ^^^
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@s.hackleman said:
If the the belief is that strong about life being important, Why not take the money that was spent on a eye sore billboard that could reach one person, and feed the hungry in your community for one day, buy kids a few coats, and a couple sleeping bags for a homeless man. Instead of blasting their opinion on deaf ears while people are driving.
The argument here is that hopefully by reaching out through this billboard, you will in fact affect more people in a positive way.
I used to feel the same way about super lavish charity parties. The party could cost a million dollars, but the plan is to bring in 10 million from rich donors, so it's a win.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@s.hackleman said:
@art_of_shred said:
@s.hackleman said:
@art_of_shred said:
@Dashrender said:
@art_of_shred said:
@brianlittlejohn said:
@dafyre said:
@brianlittlejohn said:
I am religious, and these bill boards bug the hell out of me. They are threatening and accomplish absolutely no purpose.
I am a Christian. I can definitely imagine they bug folks who are athiests or non-Christians as well. But for me, they are reminders of what my purpose is on this earth.
(Aside from exorcising computers).That's great it's reminding you of your purpose, but should that be done by threatening (real or perceived) the people you are trying to reach.
If your family was in a burning building, and you were the only one aware of the fire, what methods of warning them would you consider "too extreme"? Whether or not you agree with these people's views, understand the urgency, whether perceived or real.
Who hold on... you're comparing our lives to a burning building? That seems extreme!
Unless you think you're making it out of here alive, this life will consume you and you will die. If you (as the people who are bringing you these "threatening" messages) believe in such things as heaven and hell, well, not going to hell might be like getting saved from a fire.
So, if my family is in a burning building, I should get a billboard on the interstate and tell them about it? These billboards are a waste of time and an eye sore. I can't imagine anyone reading that and changing anything about themselves.
I think the idea is that every single life is precious. If your message reaches one single person, what is the value of that? If life is priceless, that's a lot of value.
If the the belief is that strong about life being important, Why not take the money that was spent on a eye sore billboard that could reach one person, and feed the hungry in your community for one day, buy kids a few coats, and a couple sleeping bags for a homeless man. Instead of blasting their opinion on deaf ears while people are driving.
This ^^^
x infinity.
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@art_of_shred said:
I believe effective communication comes through relationships, not people waving and yelling. I would love nothing more than to see everyone I care about experience what I have, but I can't forcefully convince anyone of anything. That's just not how it works. Also, everyone has their own choices to make and lives to live. I think I have more to offer by respecting that than I do waving it around and shoving it down others' throats.
I agree 100%. Live what you preach. That is more powerful than any sermon given from a pulpit or street corner... When you get to know me and feel comfortable enough with me to ask about it, then I will absolutely tell you.
