Rapid Desktop Replacement
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@Dashrender said:
@BRRABill said:
@scottalanmiller said:
but as imaging rights for a full company are only about $120, it doesn't take much IT time saving to justify.
Is that per machine?
This is not the whole picture.
Sure Software Assurance for one workstation is $120, but if you don't have a pre existing VL agreement, it's not just $120 to get into one, or keep it going once you're in.
You have to buy at least 5 Open Value licenses to start a Volume License Agreement. To get into this with the lowest spend that would be 4 Windows Server CALs without Software Assurance ($75/ea) and 1 Workstation Software Assurance license ($120).
So the bare minimum to get started is $420, and this is good for 3 years, then you have to renew, for roughly the same cost.
Also, you can only purchase Workstation SA for computer that you acquired in the last 90 days. So if it's been more than 90 days, you would have to purchase a Workstation upgrade with Software Assurance for $115/yr from CDW or $345 for 3 years, though the renewal will be at the above stated $120 for 3 years.
Actually they have some DVD thing I recall that is less than ten bucks. Ill have to check my VLSC account ;-p. So it would be like 150.
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@scottalanmiller too less coffee, I guess.
Remember this is a full backup product, most of the use cases are not doing a BMR but restoring individual files. So the important restore use case you can test trivially anytime that you want.
I’d say its more than that. You can do a full (volume level) backup mode and then perform a Bare Metal Restore. Additionally, you can perform a file level recovery or volume level recovery within the OS.
As a bonus you can perform application item recovery from VEB backups in Veeam Backup and Replication (even in free edition). So frankly speaking, you can backup your physical AD and then restore AD object from endpoint backup thru VBR FREE and that’s for free.
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Though apples to apples, if I get licensing taken care of, free is surely nice.
Well, there is a license inside the backup indeed. We added some “additional care”, so once you perform a bare metal restore VEB that resides in the machine will kick of the windows activation in the background with the key from the backup.
In case its original hardware OEM should be pushed like a charm. To tell the truth I’ve even tested it with non-original machines – it was successfully activated from time to time, but, I guess that depends on the OEM, hardware vendor and MS licensing. (As a regular end user – I’ve tested ASUS to HP bare metal recovery with OEM windows 8.1 on board)
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@angrydok said:
Well, there is a license inside the backup indeed. We added some “additional care”, so once you perform a bare metal restore VEB that resides in the machine will kick of the windows activation in the background with the key from the backup.
In case its original hardware OEM should be pushed like a charm. To tell the truth I’ve even tested it with non-original machines – it was successfully activated from time to time, but, I guess that depends on the OEM, hardware vendor and MS licensing. (As a regular end user – I’ve tested ASUS to HP bare metal recovery with OEM windows 8.1 on board)
This is what a lot of the discussion has centered around.
It's been brought to my attention that activation is separate from licensing.
If you go from OEM to OEM, even if it activates, it is still an illegal license, since you can't image OEM. Right @scottalanmiller ?
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@BRRABill said:
@angrydok said:
Well, there is a license inside the backup indeed. We added some “additional care”, so once you perform a bare metal restore VEB that resides in the machine will kick of the windows activation in the background with the key from the backup.
In case its original hardware OEM should be pushed like a charm. To tell the truth I’ve even tested it with non-original machines – it was successfully activated from time to time, but, I guess that depends on the OEM, hardware vendor and MS licensing. (As a regular end user – I’ve tested ASUS to HP bare metal recovery with OEM windows 8.1 on board)
This is what a lot of the discussion has centered around.
It's been brought to my attention that activation is separate from licensing.
If you go from OEM to OEM, even if it activates, it is still an illegal license, since you can't image OEM. Right @scottalanmiller ?
Unless you are doing an identical hardware replacement and it is the full machine being replaced which essentially never happens. Because under what circumstance would the box be replaced legitimately under warranty or whatever? The motherboard maker cannot be changed, although HP could change how it is represented.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender is correct. Typical home users need Chromebooks.
I want to come back to this for a second.
What about something like the user's iPhone backup? How does a Chromebook deal with that?
Or what something like ODfP that doesn't version, say, text files and you want to go back to a previous version?
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@BRRABill said:
What about something like the user's iPhone backup? How does a Chromebook deal with that?
A typical user should be on iCloud, not managing their own phone backups.
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@BRRABill said:
Or what something like ODfP that doesn't version, say, text files and you want to go back to a previous version?
In what circumstance do you have end users doing versioning of text files but are not developers? I think the generic use case here is misleading. What's the specific use case in question?
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I don't know many end users doing text file editing.
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@scottalanmiller said:
I don't know many end users doing text file editing.
I cited that as the easiest file type to mention.
But what about photos that are edited, PDF files, just about anything you could inadvertently overwrite with something else?
Yes, if you delete it, it's in the Recycle Bin, but what about inadvertent changes or renaming?
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@scottalanmiller said:
@BRRABill said:
What about something like the user's iPhone backup? How does a Chromebook deal with that?
A typical user should be on iCloud, not managing their own phone backups.
A great suggestion, except for cost, if they want free.
Always a trade-off, I know.
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@BRRABill said:
But what about photos that are edited, PDF files, just about anything you could inadvertently overwrite with something else?
Photo editing is rather special. You'd expect specific photo management for that. If you are on ChromeOS, it would be handled by the photo editing application itself.
PDF should be managed by the source document.
If you are talking about deleting files you need to stop people from using that kind of storage
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@BRRABill said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@BRRABill said:
What about something like the user's iPhone backup? How does a Chromebook deal with that?
A typical user should be on iCloud, not managing their own phone backups.
A great suggestion, except for cost, if they want free.
Always a trade-off, I know.
They need to consider themselves power users if they don't want to pay for convenience. In which case Chromebooks are rules out and they need to acquaint themselves with how things work. Just like in Dustin's thread earlier today.
If you want "easy" you do what is expected. If you want "free at any cost" you suck it up buttercup and get an advanced desktop and do your own management of things.
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@scottalanmiller said:
If you are talking about deleting files you need to stop people from using that kind of storage
Yes, but you can't have it both ways.
Yes, grandmom, move all your data to the cloud. BUT...don't do this, and be sure to use all the individual cloud products (such as) that come with your individual products.
I'm not trying to be argumentative, but I still don't see 100% how just backing up a PC is easier than moving to the cloud, for the AVERAGE user, or below average user.
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@scottalanmiller said:
They need to consider themselves power users if they don't want to pay for convenience. In which case Chromebooks are rules out and they need to acquaint themselves with how things work. Just like in Dustin's thread earlier today.
If you want "easy" you do what is expected. If you want "free at any cost" you suck it up buttercup and get an advanced desktop and do your own management of things.
Good point. Points.
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@BRRABill said:
Yes, grandmom, move all your data to the cloud. BUT...don't do this, and be sure to use all the individual cloud products (such as) that come with your individual products.
I'm confused. I've done this for family and it is SO easy. You don't use "individual" stuff, you just use the applications. The entire idea that you need to think about storage at all is the problem. If we are talking end users, why worry about storage? Storage has gone away for them.
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@BRRABill said:
I'm not trying to be argumentative, but I still don't see 100% how just backing up a PC is easier than moving to the cloud, for the AVERAGE user, or below average user.
Do you need to think about it? Then it is harder.
Chromebooks.... just use the apps, everything is handled for you.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@BRRABill said:
Yes, grandmom, move all your data to the cloud. BUT...don't do this, and be sure to use all the individual cloud products (such as) that come with your individual products.
I'm confused. I've done this for family and it is SO easy. You don't use "individual" stuff, you just use the applications. The entire idea that you need to think about storage at all is the problem. If we are talking end users, why worry about storage? Storage has gone away for them.
I love this idea, but then you have problem I mentioned before. My boss thought she created a Word document.. opened Word and started looking for it.. and couldn't find it. Freaked out. Called me..
I went to the storage and found that it was an Excel file... launched Excel found file, I was hero.yeah storage.
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At some point the user has to know SOMETHING.
Consider how it used to be with local storage and people would edit, move to another machine and lose everything.
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@scottalanmiller said:
At some point the user has to know SOMETHING.
You just keep on thinking that.
